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    Exclamation August 12 Deadline to Object to New TLDs like .Mobile

    Three companies have applied to run registries of a new TLD called .Mobile. A .Mobile extension would easily be confused with .Mobi and if sold to the public would serve the same market. The controlling agency, ICANN, is accepting comments through September 26 (extended from August 12, can someone fix the thread title?)

    To post a comment to the review panel:
    Go to: https://gtldcomment.icann.org/commen...t/makeacomment
    Set up an account. Password must be at least 8 char and include numbers and caps. Click the link in your email within 5 hours. You can change your profile later.

    You can comment many times

    To comment - log in. The same page shows but scroll down to the comment form that now displays.
    In the first box select which applicant you want to object to. For .Mobile they are:
    Pixie North, LLC
    Dish DBS Corporation -- Select the eighth listing of the 13 Dishes.
    Amazon EU S.à r.l. -- Select the second listing of the 4 Amazons.

    The second box is now active, click .mobile. If .Mobile does not show (scroll) try another alternative in the first box. This box goes dead when you are slow to finish, reset the first box to fix it.

    The third box "Panel/Objection Ground" is important. There are many committees and outside agencies in the review process, if your objection goes to a non-relevant panel it dies. I posted in two categories - Evaluation Panel/String Similarity and Objection Ground/Community. Here is my reasoning:

    The String Similarity Evaluation Panel looks at VISUAL similarity. This is an automatic review by an outside judge, .Mobile vs .Mobi is one of the most likely to fail. Public comments are sent officially to the panel.

    The Community Objection Ground - The Independent Objector is tasked to file objections on the basis of harm to a community. Mobi domain owners would be harmed by .Mobile. The rules do not allow the Independent Objector to object on string similarity directly. There must be at least one comment from the public on a specific applicant and domain for him to act.

    Note that you have to make a separate objection for each applicant/domain set.
    Relevant, short, polite, informed comments are preferred.

    Pixie North (Donuts) is the only .Mobile applicant that plans to sell domains to the public. Other applications you might object to, among others, are .Mobily .Phone .App.

    Public portions of all new TLD applications are here:
    http://newgtlds.icann.org/en/program...utc-13jun12-en

    An earlier discussion of the new TLDs and .Mobi is here: http://mobility.mobi/showthread.php?55846-60-official-days-for-protests-against-MOBILE-and-MOBILY-NOW-S-THE-TIME-TO-ACT!-7-months

    Comment period has been extended to September 26, the anniversary of .Mobi release, by coincidence.
    Last edited by Accent; 08-12-2012 at 12:38 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Accent View Post
    Here is where I posted:

    The String Similarity Evaluation Panel looks at VISUAL similarity. This is an automatic review by an outside judge, .Mobile vs .Mobi is one of the most likely to fail. Public comments are sent officially to the panel.

    The Community Objection Ground - The Independent Objector is tasked to file objections on the basis of harm to a community. Mobi domain owners would be harmed by .Mobile. The rules do not allow him to object on string similarity directly. There must be at least one comment from the public on a specific applicant and domain for him to act.
    Terrific job Accent! The only part that you have me confused on is above......You said 'Here is where I posted: ....and then you have two paragraphs (see quote). Is that what you posted? Please clarify. I have done one posting so far and it was easy and fast to do. Thanks

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    OK, I reread your post, and I see that you are pointing out which of the two Panel/Objection Ground categories would apply. It sounded at first like you were suggesting some language to put in the Comment field.

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    Correct. Those are the categories that looked most effective to me. There may be other panels that also are relevant.

    Thanks for pointing that out. It should be more clear now.
    Last edited by Accent; 08-09-2012 at 12:53 AM.
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    I have done six, following Accent's directions. You can do it fast and easy. Here is what I put in one:

    I have created mobile websites for many small businesses using the mobi domain names. Some of those domains are RVdealer.mobi LandscapeDesigns.mobi RoadServiceTowing.mobi CrabSeasonings.mobi HeatingAndAir.mobi SquirrelRemoval.mobi and WaterTreatment.mobi. Those small businesses will be harmed if the string 'mobile' is approved.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Accent View Post
    Comment period has been extended to September 26, the anniversary of .Mobi release, by coincidence.
    Bumping this detail to make sure people don't miss the new date.

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    I will remembering the date.

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    I have put in my comment. Let´s see what happens.

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    Last call, deadline is tomorrow - Wednesday.
    Several people have posted now, you wont be alone.
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    Yes, and it's actually quite easy to comment. Thanks for the instruction, Accent.

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    submitted my comments today. I encourage anyone and everyone with an interest in .mobi to submit your remarks following the OP's instructions.

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    Donuts has responded to the String Similarity issue:

    II. Confusing similarity
    The Applicant Guidebook sets an appropriately high threshold for string confusion:
    “String confusion exists where a string so nearly resembles another that it is likely to deceive or cause confusion. For a likelihood of confusion to exist, it must be probable, not merely possible that confusion will arise in the mind of the average, reasonable Internet user. Mere association, in the sense that the string brings another string to mind, is insufficient to find a likelihood of confusion.”
    Instances of similar strings exist in the root today: .BIZ and .BZ, or .COM and .CO or .CM, for example. At first glance, association of these strings might suggest similarity, but reporting or evidence that they are visually or meaningfully similar clearly does not exist, and the standard of confusion probability is not met. By these examples, it is clearly difficult to confuse the average, reasonable Internet user.
    Broader Internet usage, growth in name space, and specificity in identity and expression are the foundation of the new gTLD program, and are suitable priorities for the community. In the interest of consumer choice and competition, multiple strings and the variety and opportunity they present to users should prevail over all but the near certainty of actual confusion.

    https://gtldcomment.icann.org/commen...tdetails/10241
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    I replied to Donuts, was surprised how they left themselves so open:

    Subject: Response to Donuts
    Comment Submission Date:26 September 2012 at 20:54:59 UTC
    Comment:
    Donuts seeks to raise the bar for String
    Similarity to the point of meaninglessness.

    Donuts supports this change with only one
    paragraph of "fact", saying: "Instances of similar strings
    exist in the root today: .BIZ and .BZ, or .COM and
    .CO or .CM, for example."


    .BZ, .CO and .CM are country codes, by the way,
    not subject to ICANN control.


    Donuts: "At first glance, association of these
    strings might suggest similarity, but reporting
    or evidence that they are visually or meaningfully
    similar clearly does not exist ..."


    A little research shows this statement is not

    correct:
    Overstock retreats from O.co name change
    "... Apparently a "good portion" of people
    attempting to visit the site were instead going to
    O.com ..."
    Source: http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-57324691
    -93/overstock-retreats-from-o.co-name-change/
    .....
    An investor paid the government of Cameroon to
    redirect all un-registered .CM domains to his
    advertising website for several years, making a
    large profit on confusion and mistyping.
    Sources:
    http://money.cnn.com/magazines/business2/business2
    _archive/2007/06/01/100050989/
    http://techcrunch.com/2007/05/22/the-cm-scam/


    Donuts has made the case themselves - the .Mobile
    TLD is too close to the existing .Mobi both visually
    and in meaning and should be rejected in all
    applications.
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