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    Default Yeah, There's a .app for That.

    Let's see if Dotmobi live up to their word and defend the .mobi TLD against the new competition
    (Or will Affilias run these TLDs too?)
    http://www.forbes.com/sites/sap/2012...hy-im-not-sure

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    It does not appear that Afilias is a bidder for .Mobile, .Mobily, or .Phone.
    They are in for .App, but I expect they will be badly out-gunned.
    As I understand the contract Afilias can block too-similar extensions, I do not know how strong the block is or the cost.
    Of course the same contract requires a Trustmark to make .Mobi useful, a number of stakeholder (that's us) communication groups and so on.

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    Why would Afilias apply for a couple dozen extensions and continue to let the one they have crumble?
    Flowers.mobi: $200,000 > $6500 > $5000 > ???
    Defending the extension - or not - will be a gut check for Afilias.

    Up till now they have been on autopilot regarding .Mobi.
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    Quote Originally Posted by youmo View Post
    Let's see if Dotmobi live up to their word and defend the .mobi TLD against the new competition
    I'd like to see in writing where dotmobi gave a commitment to defend .mobi TLD against new competition.

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    For the average mobile phone users, why would they go to a .app site to get apps when they could just download from their app store or market? I don't see the benefits here.

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    Here is a quote from the Forbes article:
    Quote Originally Posted by Forbes
    "The bottom line to me is: URLs seem to have lost both their necessity and branding power in the post-PC age, due to Google search, touchscreens and native apps. And in the future, voice interfaces and “wetware” (neural connections between brain and computer) would seem to make discrete domain names totally redundant."
    This is alarming to a domain investor.
    But I don't see it.
    You still gotta call it something.
    Domains exist because people didn't do well remembering strings of numbers.
    Voice or "wet" (yuck), you still gotta call it something.

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    re: .app
    I think some of them want to name their app store: .App.
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    Advance in computer technology has not made address and brand name disappear from the physical world, and I believe it will not either in the virtual world of the Internet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scandiman View Post
    I'd like to see in writing where dotmobi gave a commitment to defend .mobi TLD against new competition.

    Even if they did, would they keep it, especially if it cost time and money for no likely gain?

    IMO they never wanted mobi and have put nothing into it. They had extended a lot of credit to Dotmobi who became effectively insolvent. By taking over and ensuring names got renewed while hollowing out the company Afilias got revenue. Otherwise they would have got nothing. Go figure.

    The whole .mobi thing is littered with broken promises and abandoned standards and investment.

    Arguably the exclusivity .mobi was supposed to enjoy as a mobile extension was assigned when it was to be the only extension that guaranteed mobile content. When that guarantee was abandoned it lost the claim to exclusivity.

    Actually most users have no idea what an app is or what a mobile site is, so for many .app could mean "relevant to my mobile devices" and could work really, really well with the effective meaning of "mobile".


    Well why not be wildly ambitious and assume .mobi owners get grandfather rights on .app and .mobile?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Accent View Post
    Here is a quote from the Forbes article:

    "The bottom line to me is: URLs seem to have lost both their necessity and branding power in the post-PC age, due to Google search, touchscreens and native apps. And in the future, voice interfaces and “wetware” (neural connections between brain and computer) would seem to make discrete domain names totally redundant."
    they've probably lost some necessity but not all.. i find myself searching google sometimes accidentally when i normally type in the domain name - if i remember it.. sometimes its easier to just be lazy and google it especially if its a complicated domain name..which i guess is also an argument for why generic memorable domains are good. we could have argued 20 years ago that web browser bookmarks made remembering domain names less necessary and this argument would have some truth to it but you've also got to look at the whole picture and history of whats happened since you've been able to bookmark everything. generic domain names (largely .com) are still worth money.

    apps will always be useful because in the event you're somewhere without internet connection you can still load the program.. so its not a zero sum game. this is not an argument for or against new TLD's.. but these companies with lots of money will do what the want if they can. it may not be necessary, but the option to try exists now. they've got the cash and its a drop in the bucket to the internet giants so they may as well give it a shot. newer TLD's will be used more in the future simply because more of them will exist. there is no getting around that.. how much they "catch on" im not sure. if we look at the history of whats happened so far, they are a tiny part of the domain real estate when compared to .com


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    Quote Originally Posted by mjnels View Post
    they've probably lost some necessity but not all.. i find myself searching google sometimes accidentally when i normally type in the domain name - if i remember it.. sometimes its easier to just be lazy and google it especially if its a complicated domain name..which i guess is also an argument for why generic memorable domains are good. we could have argued 20 years ago that web browser bookmarks made remembering domain names less necessary and this argument would have some truth to it but you've also got to look at the whole picture and history of whats happened since you've been able to bookmark everything. generic domain names (largely .com) are still worth money.
    Yea, as much as the guy from Forbes is talking about the uselessness of domains I don't see them dropping forbes.com anytime soon.

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    Pinky on theDomains:
    Quote Originally Posted by Pinky Brand

    Yeah I noticed this yesterday when scanning the reveal list at the ICANN event in London and had been wondering if anyone else would apply for anything similar.

    Yes the guidebook says that a new gTLD cannot be confusingly similar to an existing TLD so it will be interesting to learn more about these applications and if any objections are filed. Protecting 1,000,000 + names and the cashmoney recurring revenue that comes from a very decent veteran renewal rate for .mobi is nothing to sneeze at.

    By the way, in October 2006 at TRAFFIC it was the first time that a top-level domain registry (.mobi) tested an initial offering of “premium” names direct to the public in a live auction setting. The names auctioned were celebs, wow, gossip, stockquotes, flowers, hot, party, laugh and fun. However this was a few short weeks AFTER the landrush and start of general registration, not before as you mentioned. Tiny point but just clearing that up.
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    FYI. Source of Pinky Brand's comment is from: http://www.thedomains.com/2012/06/14...mobile-mobily/

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChinaMobi View Post
    FYI. Source of Pinky Brand's comment is from: http://www.thedomains.com/2012/06/14...mobile-mobily/

    enjoying the comments on that article, particularly from Pinky and Michael Berkens... some real talk going on there. a lot of domainers that hate these new TLD's are so defensive that its a "scam"... how is simply operating a business and selling a product a scam? either buy it or dont. now i understand in the case of .mobi some feel misled about how strong they were promised the brand was going to be and i think there is some merit to that, particularly for people who bought premium names - but truthfully i paid very little attention to the marketing babble of the registry when making decisions with money, just like when watching a mountain dew commercial from the late 90's - i was pretty sure it wasnt going to take me skydiving when i purchased one at my local 7-11 like it was representing on TV. stupid example i know, but meh..

    i also think the claim that its extorting current trademark owners is exaggerated... if i own 1-800-PHONENO do i feel compelled to own 1-888-PHONENO, 1-866-PHONENO, 1-877-PHONENO, 1-855-PHONENO ???? maybe, i guess, not really...this thing with yelling "scam" is mostly a reaction from domainers that have watched people lose money over the years playing this little domain game. guess what? most people doing anything business related lose money and are not successful and give up before they figure out the correct angle. are casino's scams? i guess by some definitions since they almost always win while most the players lose consistently. but we know the numbers just like we know how many domainers lose with these new TLD's...

    here is the thing though - whether silly tunnel vision domainers want to admit it or not the public WILL get more familiar with "alternate TLD's".. how familiar i dont know but when easy to remember keywords are available in alternate extensions are they just going to go completely unused for decades? of course not. that still doesnt answer the question of how familiar the public will be with them - but it will be more than today. would you rather have www.Recycle.newTLD or www.SaveThePlanetNow.com ? < that .com is registered, by the way.... there is no one answer. i'd guess most people prefer the longer .com right now but there will be some shift in awareness. this doesnt necessarily translate into being a profitable thing for pure domainers and this is where the disconnect is with "domainers" and why most yell SCAM, because they know its unlikely for them to profit.. if there was serious profit potential for THEM (the domainer) they'd be all about it! but if someone else is making money its a scam - ha, pretty transparent i think. im sure most people that try to profit from simple domaining will lose their shirts, the lucky ones will break even, and some will actually profit.

    ive said it before and ill say it again - the rate at which prices went up with .mobi was insane thats part of how bubbles are formed when things dont grow naturally they are most often times unsustainable. now if we're dealing with a limited commodity of say "100 things" and there is only 100 of them, it could have held depending on how many owners were committed to holding and only selling for super high prices. but price fixing doesnt always work.. people here and on other forums suggesting you should only sell LLL.mobi and NNN.mobi for a "minimum price" were naive because there is always going to be someone willing to sell for $1 lower as long as they still profit (and sometimes even if they dont profit and just need money).. its ok though, thats the learning process.

    the point of me saying all this is not really to point fingers and laugh at other people, although a lot of the crazy hype talk was hilarious. particularly people that were obviously only interested in buying .mobi domains to flip them but saying they were "in it for the greater good" and "i plan to develop"... i think half of those people were full of **** the entire time and maybe the other half didnt know what they were getting into. if peoples hearts or solid enough business plans are not in it then its no good. i wouldnt have known what i was getting into developing any domain (combined with a good business plan, commitment, spending money, actual know-how, constant attention, etc)... i did know it was a lot of work so stayed away from it and kept it simple. dont bite off more than you can chew and dont expect other people to chew for you.
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    Many good points, mjnels.

    i'd guess most people prefer the longer .com right now but there will be some shift in awareness.
    No, I see the opposite. Some say it's the truncating trend. I just say it's branding. More and more companies value domain name as brand as well as an address. The most recent one I read is IWasAdopted.com spending $16k to upgrade to Adopted.com. Another example is CSN Stores which consolidated its 200 websites under one brand: Wayfair.com.

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    noticed this comment earlier from John, who is a domain lawyer..

    Quote Originally Posted by John Berryhill View Post

    One of the proposed .mobile applications is for a closed TLD which Dish Network wants to use exclusively for its own services, btw.

    appears to be 3 different applicants for .mobile, not sure what the other intended uses are or even where to verify this info.


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    I read somewhere Amazon will be using all their new TLDs internally, not opening up to the general public. That leaves Donut as the applicant who may sell .mobile to the general public.

    Regarding success of new TLDs, I think marketing is the critical element. A heavily marketed TLD is the one I'll be looking for.

    Edit: Source is here: http://domainnamewire.com/2012/06/14...to-the-public/
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    im only part way through the first page of this namepros thread, but peoples panic attacks are evident. im thinking this type of stuff will be fun to watch for years..

    relevant:
    http://www.namepros.com/domain-name-...n-domains.html


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    Looks like this didn't go unnoticed over at dotmobi HQ:
    http://twitter.com/dotMobiOfficial/s...05052906000385

    Hmmm, maybe if we get some ICAAN-Amazon-Mobily... hoopla about this, could be good for .mobi exposure.
    Future headlines:
    .mobi triumphs over the mighty Amazon!
    .mobi now king of the mobile TLDs

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    There are comments possible AGAINST some extentions. 60 official days and afterwards also 7 months (7 months = TM and such).
    IMHO : Protest against .MOBILE and .MOBILY are advised !!! In view of all the promises we got.
    See more at : http://mobility.mobi/showthread.php?...-ACT!-7-months

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    It's crazy how there are 13 applicants for .APP, one being Affilias. That TLD is also a direct threat to .mobi. But let's face it, does any of this really matter anymore? .Mobi domains are worth little and all domains will diminish in value after the new gTLDs arrive. We are entering an era of domain and TLD abundance. Apart from the killer .com domains and a bunch of killer hacks and killer ccTLD names, I suspect that almost all other domains will be worth sub $10k. There will simply be too much choice to justify high prices.

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    Quote Originally Posted by youmo View Post
    ... But let's face it, does any of this really matter anymore? .Mobi domains are worth little and all domains will diminish in value after the new gTLDs arrive. ...
    I still have money on the table. So it matters to me.
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