Top Ten User Badges Poll

[coast]

Hello Everyone,

Since there has been much debate about the new user badges, here is a poll to see what the members think. There have been no complaints about the MotM, DEV, MAG, or MOD badges, but the TOP TEN badge is up for discussion.

Andres gave the go-ahead for this poll, so please let us know what you think. This poll is for the TOP TEN badge only.

[seanboy]

I don't mind the badges, but maybe we could make them look a little better? Just a suggestion :)

[Gerry]

Badges?

We don't need no steekin badges.

-Blazing Saddles-

[mediaadvantages]

think it would be nice for each person to have a resume badge....it lists exactly what that the person does for a profession and experiences with .mobi and what .mobis they have worked on. each person could edit their own resume and people could comment on them

[Tom]

Personally I don't think that the "Top Ten" badge is particularly necessary. It seems repetitive, does it not? Why have a big line of rep blocks and a "Top Ten" badge? Both essentially say the same thing...

I also agree that rep doesn't necessarily qualify someone as a "top member", and that there are many members here without a lot of rep that nonetheless contribute a great deal to Mobility, and more importantly, to the .mobi extension. Some people don't post a lot, but work behind the scenes so to speak.... possibly doing things such as building up the 'ecosystem' (which is a top priority, no?). Most of the members here contribute in a positive manner-- in their own way (which may or may not involve spending hours a day posting on Mobility). I believe that it is important for the forum as a whole to realize that genuine contribution is expressed in more important ways than that of rep points...which is really, in my opinion, a triviality that holds little meaning.

I think we should let members' words and actions speak for themselves. I don't know about the rest of you, but that says a lot more to me than a line of pretty green blocks or a little orange badge ever could. Having a 'Top Ten' category just doesn't encourage this idea....

[coast]

think it would be nice for each person to have a resume badge....it lists exactly what that the person does for a profession and experiences with .mobi and what .mobis they have worked on. each person could edit their own resume and people could comment on them

I think there is a place where you can do that through your signature line or profile. Nice idea.

[mediaadvantages]

I think there is a place where you can do that through your signature line or profile. Nice idea.

sweet....give me some rep so i can move up :)

[hawkeye]

Kill the 'top ten' thing.

Maybe a 'long time' member badge/marking for those that were here from the beginning, say 1st two months, and are still here strongly involved. Kinda weird for those being here from the beginning, and seeing 3 month members being noted as 'senior member' just because they post as fast as Gerry!



I don't mind the badges, but maybe we could make them look a little better? Just a suggestion :) ditto on this.

and really, '..we don't need no stinking badges..'
So maybe a different term

[hawkeye]

Personally I don't think that the "Top Ten" badge is particularly necessary. It seems repetitive, does it not? Why have a big line of rep blocks and a "Top Ten" badge? Both essentially say the same thing...

I also agree that rep doesn't necessarily qualify someone as a "top member", and that there are many members here without a lot of rep that nonetheless contribute a great deal to Mobility, and more importantly, to the .mobi extension. Some people don't post a lot, but work behind the scenes so to speak.... possibly doing things such as building up the 'ecosystem' (which is a top priority, no?). Most of the members here contribute in a positive manner-- in their own way (which may or may not involve spending hours a day posting on Mobility). I believe that it is important for the forum as a whole to realize that genuine contribution is expressed in more important ways than that of rep points...which is really, in my opinion, a triviality that holds little meaning.

I think we should let members' words and actions speak for themselves. I don't know about the rest of you, but that says a lot more to me than a line of pretty green blocks or a little orange badge ever could. Having a 'Top Ten' category just doesn't encourage this idea.... All I can say is ... Rep!

[Tom]

All I can say is ... Rep!
Thanks, now everyone else needs to follow suit so that I can get one of them spiffy badges! :laugh:

Joking aside, the system is flawed anyways.... the 'Top Ten' members will more likely than not be the same month after month..... and I see no point in that.

[Work In Progress]

Well said. Another note: a newbie would probably be wondering "Top Ten What?":hmmmm2:

Many contribute largely to the mobile web and mobility yet post very little.
I'll take quality vs quantity any day. Some do both very well. There's really no good way to track it though, IMHO



Personally I don't think that the "Top Ten" badge is particularly necessary. It seems repetitive, does it not? Why have a big line of rep blocks and a "Top Ten" badge? Both essentially say the same thing...

I also agree that rep doesn't necessarily qualify someone as a "top member", and that there are many members here without a lot of rep that nonetheless contribute a great deal to Mobility, and more importantly, to the .mobi extension. Some people don't post a lot, but work behind the scenes so to speak.... possibly doing things such as building up the 'ecosystem' (which is a top priority, no?). Most of the members here contribute in a positive manner-- in their own way (which may or may not involve spending hours a day posting on Mobility). I believe that it is important for the forum as a whole to realize that genuine contribution is expressed in more important ways than that of rep points...which is really, in my opinion, a triviality that holds little meaning.

I think we should let members' words and actions speak for themselves. I don't know about the rest of you, but that says a lot more to me than a line of pretty green blocks or a little orange badge ever could. Having a 'Top Ten' category just doesn't encourage this idea....

[Tom]

A newbie would probably be wondering "Top Ten What?":hmmmm2:
I guess I'm a newbie, because I saw them and had the exact same question. :laugh:

[coast]

I think anything that brings the mobility community together is good, and anything that takes us off track from developing and adding value to our .mobi investments should go. If this becomes a rep contest than I think the TOP TEN badges should go, even though I like mine lol.

Also, I hope that you folks consider me in the "quality and quantity" category as far as rep goes - I do try to add value here :).

[kiwi]

Some thoughts:

I think the Moderators shouldn't be in top ten, if there is a top ten...their authority as a MOD and the Rep blocks should be enough identification.

I think Chat does deserve some recognition because plenty goes on there. Perhaps not a rating, but rather a participation symbol... certain people really do make that a great place to network.

If "top ten" makes even a few of the members (numbers 11-20 come to mind) post less and instead, just read, then the badge value to new members diminishes significantly.

Egnited and Hawkeye's comments say alot to me. I will vote no - in hopes that it is revised somehow.

"Please note - that this is my first reaction on the other thread:
Further brainstorming, at some future point it would be great to see some video links somewhere - whether it has to do with badges...or perhaps something to do with your contributions, participation, expertise.

I like the badge idea for the purpose of enabling new users to navigate the site with more confidence.

It wouldn't be as interesting to come here without all of the hardworking badge people (also known as rep earners) doing their thing!"

[Mirimadeline]

I love .Mobi
I love Mobility

I do not like popularity contests
I do not like the badges

Here's my take: I am a passionate newbie and I consider myself pretty active on Mobility. I talk to everybody, I sometimes even chat and I am on here at least an hour a day. Is there a badge for that? Mobility Member of the Week? I came on here to find developers and learn as much as I can about .mobi. Badges are intimidating and if your profile and sig explain your purpose here then why do we need them?

I am sure that badges will stay but the Top Ten badge just reinforces the popularity drama I believe.

[developmy.mobi]

Ditch it.

[Tom]

I love .Mobi
I love Mobility

I do not like popularity contests
I do not like the badges

Here's my take: I am a passionate newbie and I consider myself pretty active on Mobility. I talk to everybody, I sometimes even chat and I am on here at least an hour a day. Is there a badge for that? Mobility Member of the Week? I came on here to find developers and learn as much as I can about .mobi. Badges are intimidating and if your profile and sig explain your purpose here then why do we need them?

I am sure that badges will stay but the Top Ten badge just reinforces the popularity drama I believe.

Great insight, Miri!








"The Sneetches" by Dr. Seuss comes to mind...



"Now, the Star-Belly Sneetches had bellies with stars.
The Plain-Belly Sneetches had none upon thars.
Those stars weren’t so big. They were really so small.
You might think such a thing wouldn’t matter at all......"

[coast]

"The Sneetches" by Dr. Seuss comes to mind...

The funny thing about this is that at least 3 of the people with TOP TEN badges are saying to ditch them. Andres, would you take them off please? It was a great gesture but I think it is doing more harm than good.

[Andres Kello]

Andres, would you take them off please?Done.

Thanks for your input guys, that's what makes this place so great. :biggrin:

[coast]

Done.

Thanks for your input guys, that's what makes this place so great. :biggrin:

:adore:... and peace and tranquility returned to the kingdom, the end.

Thanks Andres!

[hawkeye]

"Ding, Dong, that badge is gone, that badge is gone.
Ding dong, that wicked badge is gone!"

[acc]

Badges?
We don't need no steekin badges.
-Blazing Saddles-
"Bahjez ... Bahjez ? .. We don't need no stinken' Bahjez ..." was originally from a Bogey movie ... was it used in "Blazing" too? I just remember someone punching out a horse.

Per Wikipedia:


The original quotation comes from the 1948 film The Treasure of the Sierra Madre with Humphrey Bogart. In one of the scenes in the movie a Mexican bandit leader (Gold Hat played by Alfonso Bedoya) is trying to convince Fred C Dobbs (played by Bogart) and company that they are the Federales.

Dobbs: 'If you're the police where are your badges?'
Gold Hat: 'Badges? We ain't got no badges. We don't need no badges! I don't have to show you any stinkin' badges!'

This in turn was adapted from B Traven's 1927 novel upon which the movie was based:

"All right," Curtain shouted back. "If you are the police, where are your badges? Let's see them."

"Badges, to god-damned hell with badges! We have no badges. In fact, we don't need badges. I don't have to show you any stinking badges, you god-damned cabrón and ching' tu madre! Come out from that ****-hole of yours. I have to speak to you."And as far as the badges ... I like the Mod, MotM, Dev badges.

As far as the "Top" one ... Yeah, good move Andres ... I bet that some of those that had TOP TEeN badges were over twenty anyway ... :rolleyes2:
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[domainitrix]

All I can say is that I'm glad that the badges are gone now! Although, I thank Andres for his intentions to do best for the community ( his way of showing his good intentions for it) and for Scandiman in making them in his busy forum duties and all!

Sometimes, the gifts can be undeserving and I 'd be the first to admit it was a bad fit with me. However, we are all in it together here, aren't we? I don't remember it ever being a popularity contest/ drama. I do believe that to some degree, we forget that there are people behind the user names in this forum. And personally, I don't think anyone ever repped me to be " soft" with the ladies.( well maybe except pred! :laugh:)

I will not under any circumstances accept that; because of the gender, or because someone " seems" popular or act cute = accuse that person of garnering reps unfairly or be an excuse for someone to say something negative about another (in projection of the misplaced disappointment, discontent or whatever.) Issue should be raised to correct the situation but, not sell another's work at half off to make one's point

We all contribute in one form another, without the kudos and people starting or participating in threads, or sending reps w/ warm thoughts, this community will be dry as peanut brittle.

[Pred]

The funny thing about this is that at least 3 of the people with TOP TEN badges are saying to ditch them. Andres, would you take them off please? It was a great gesture but I think it is doing more harm than good.

i've read this thread with amusement

i agree i think good idea of andres to introduce some new stuff.
top 10 badges were just some fun but could be a bumsteer as you could have someone like Rob for example who is a great help and a real nice guy but doesn't post much, and someone new may not realise.

however one thing which is more important than a silly badge thing is a silly poll, sorry to say :coo2l:

think about it. run a poll, with likely only 10 voting for and what will be the outcome?
also the actual results are 9 for, only 11 against and a couple abstaining, yet motion gets carried on one persons say so?
this worries me more, please dont run the elections in zimbabwe lol :eek2:

something to ponder as last time i checked there were :eek2: Members: 651, Active Members: 205:coo2l:

jokes aside, i think the dev. label is helpful but most on here can develop to differing degrees. i think those with dev. badge should need some sort of recognised qualification? do the ones who have badge passed the mtld course? if so useful. also if the badge took through to a page of portfolio sites to give us an idea what that devvelopoer can do as useful for noobs to to see what a developer can and cant do and some price guiding possibly?

just ideas

[MrMobi]

vanity, all is vanity under the sun lol i reckon a badge for the loners from down under so we feel loved would be nice :rofl:

[Andres Kello]

I don't mind the badges, but maybe we could make them look a little better? Just a suggestion :)Don't worry, these are version 1, their look will evolve, it's just not a priority at the moment. :)



however one thing which is more important than a silly badge thing is a silly poll, sorry to say :coo2l:

think about it. run a poll, with likely only 10 voting for and what will be the outcome?
also the actual results are 9 for, only 11 against and a couple abstaining, yet motion gets carried on one persons say so?
this worries me more, please dont run the elections in zimbabwe lol :eek2:

something to ponder as last time i checked there were :eek2: Members: 651, Active Members: 205:coo2l:The poll was just to quantify what we already knew and I wasn't looking for a simple majority either. For me to have kept the Top Ten badges, we would have needed an overwhelming 80+% support for it, something I knew from the original reactions was never going to happen. I don't want anything on Mobility that's divisive and this badge was clearly divisive right off the bat. We could run a similar poll for the DEV tag and I can assure you there will be at least 80% in favor of it. So 9 for with 11 against is a very telling sign that this badge was divisive and had to go.


jokes aside, i think the dev. label is helpful but most on here can develop to differing degrees. i think those with dev. badge should need some sort of recognised qualification? do the ones who have badge passed the mtld course? if so useful. also if the badge took through to a page of portfolio sites to give us an idea what that devvelopoer can do as useful for noobs to to see what a developer can and cant do and some price guiding possibly?For now the DEV badge is just to differentiate Professional Developers that can be hired by members in order to help better meet the growing demand for development. In the future, we plan on introducing a ".mobi Certified" badge for members who can prove they have been certified.

[Pred]

The poll was just to quantify what we already knew and I wasn't looking for a simple majority either. For me to have kept the Top Ten badges, we would have needed an overwhelming 80+% support for it, something I knew from the original reactions was never going to happen. I don't want anything on Mobility that's divisive and this badge was clearly divisive right off the bat. We could run a similar poll for the DEV tag and I can assure you there will be at least 80% in favor of it. So 9 for with 11 against is a very telling sign that this badge was divisive and had to go.


i blame the nob who thought it up :biggrin:
rofl
look at poll. 12 - 11 in favour of the silly badge
well, do we live in a democracy or a fascist state? :biggrin:

[coast]

i blame the nob who thought it up :biggrin:
rofl
look at poll. 12 - 11 in favour of the silly badge
well, do we live in a democracy or a fascist state? :biggrin:


Actually Pred, I think Andres is completely right - this wasn't a majority rule poll, it was designed to take the temperature of the membership to see if a significant number of people who actively post were in support of it or against it. With comments like "What about 11-20?" and comparison to the Star-Bellied Sneetches I think we got our answer. It's a poll, not an election ;).

http://www.timslagle.com/blog/jane2.jpg

Also, I don't know how to turn off the poll. :embarassed: Jane, stop this crazy thing!

[Pred]

i blame the nob who thought it up :biggrin:


actually coast, i think pred is right
see above :biggrin:

i've just been having a good laugh at you all :laugh:
now. back to business :coo2l:

btw. interesting how the poll is going on a neutral standpoint now other members are allowed a say eh?
a lesson to be learned for the future. not a vote, but a poll means giving the readership a say, not just the cronies.mobi :coo2l:

[Scandiman]

The poll was just to quantify what we already knew and I wasn't looking for a simple majority either. For me to have kept the Top Ten badges, we would have needed an overwhelming 80+% support for it, something I knew from the original reactions was never going to happen. I don't want anything on Mobility that's divisive and this badge was clearly divisive right off the bat. We could run a similar poll for the DEV tag and I can assure you there will be at least 80% in favor of it. So 9 for with 11 against is a very telling sign that this badge was divisive and had to go.
I totally agree there is no value in purposely doing something divisive on the forum. But it's interesting that at this point the tide has turned and the aye's have it.

[capt. ahab]

I agree....we don't need any top 10 " steekin badges ".

Coast -- "If this becomes a rep contest than I think the TOP TEN badges should go"

It seems the "rep contest" started a long time ago by some members.

Just a thought ..... instead of the little green emeralds how about changing them to little mobile phones. Or, one mobile phone, that shows more bars for more reps.

Have a good day.

[Gerry]

one mobile phone, that shows more bars for more reps.That's hilarious and so creative.

If it tears down the infrastructure that we have going on here then it is not worth it.

That is why I am opposed to it.

I think we need to move on and beyond the polls and voting and what not and get down to biz-i-ness.

bahjes - steenkin bahjes

[keithmt]

I voted that I really don't care either way. Reps are sometimes
given when they should'nt be so it kind of blows it for me. But
hey, whatever floats your boat :coo2l:

[Tim]

I don't care either way. I don't like all the rep whoring, but that's just me. I look at the rep bar as the badge of honor for real contributions, not just for a teabag comment or something.

But let's not limit anything just yet. Let's have a field day that lasts a year or so...

[edit]
KMT - I didn't even see your response! Rep for your cool line of thinking ;)
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[MrMobi]

im a cardboard box rep junkie, hoppin for a hit...i need an fix....rim jobs all round to the repee's.... i think i deserve these reps for wakin up in the morning you slackers, im so under appreciated and overlooked.....why why why am i subjected to this treatment....cash donations will be accepted on a first come first served basis.Some basic idiet.mobi feedback...feedNOT

[Gerry]

im a cardboard box rep junkie, hoppin for a hit...i need an fix....rim jobs all round to the repee's.... i think i deserve these reps for wakin up in the morning you slackers, im so under appreciated and overlooked.....why why why am i subjected to this treatment....cash donations will be accepted on a first come first served basis.Some basic idiet.mobi feedback...feedNOTWhat a hoot!

[Pred]

im a cardboard box rep junkie, hoppin for a hit...i need an fix....rim jobs all round to the repee's.... i think i deserve these reps for wakin up in the morning you slackers, im so under appreciated and overlooked.....why why why am i subjected to this treatment....cash donations will be accepted on a first come first served basis.Some basic idiet.mobi feedback...feedNOT

rofl
consider yourself repped

[kiwi]

Here is the rep as I promised from chat - while you were sleeping
Mr Mobi :angel:

[MrMobi]

rofl
consider yourself repped
Im not worthy, NO NO NO, im addicted rim for a rep....i can see it now, kinda like digg but ya rim IT dot come on.

[MrMobi]

hold on, i got 2 OH NO, i didnt even and see it....its too much pressure, i want to go back down to one please....WHAT are yas doin, succumbing to the rep whoring of an obvious addict, but i know nothing (Shultz) someone in charge needs to be shot, it shouldnt happen...maybe one day i could accept the honour

[MrMobi]

nah its all good, just says i know something about .mobi and that was the easy first emerald, i could spell it, but LOL their so dumb, they spelt . mobi in the HOVER. Anyway the something i know is i definately know how to spell .mobi :star: and i can smell IT too mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmn.mobi i dont own that, feel free to get it

[MrMobi]

Here is the rep as I promised from chat - while you were sleeping
Mr Mobi :angel:
Ty....hey it says you having 3 emeralds that your KNOWLEDGABLE.MOBI about
KNOWLEDGEABLE.MOBI but im sure their mine :laugh::dontknow:

[coast]

Now that is just plain silly lol.

For anyone who is wondering what he is referring to, if you put your mouse next to someone's emeralds (green rep blocks) when you are viewing the members list, it displays a message.

[Pred]

Im not worthy, NO NO NO, im addicted rim for a rep....i can see it now, kinda like digg but ya rim IT dot come on.

****** once again lol

[MrMobi]

lol your all too funny.....coast is so sweet(thankyou master coast), reminds me of a funny story when my mum used to try and explain my (insert words) actions or warped humour...i'll save it for later.