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veikoh
11-10-2010, 12:18 PM
I wrote my first program at age of 10, at age 17 I rewrote the full IBM mainframe operating system, I developed first GUI long before Microsoft in 1989 for Z80 computer.
Being the pioneer of Internet since 1998, I generated huge amount of interest for my production.
After NASDAQ collapsed in 2002, I haven't had much any income at all.
I would like again to use my skills by writing decent software to iPhone, but I need your help to get myself MacBook and iPhone. All of those will be based on unique ideas with huge market potential.
If you contribute $100 to this purpose, you will have credits with a link to your mobile website or facebook fan page.
I'm using invested.in to raise my money for this cause: http://inv.st/HX

Thanks in advance,
Veiko Herne (http://www.veikoherne.com)

veikoh
11-18-2010, 11:25 AM
I just updated the page to give more information how I will work and why you should trust me.
Being yesterday again in Bareclona bDigital mobile apps event to evaluate competition, I again didn't saw anything that could match to my ***erings. It's so flustrated that I can't execute new innovative ideas without owning a computer and cannot test them without owning a phone!!!
That little investment from you could boost your business as well. I do not need any Venture Capital money, I have once deal with those guys when they evaluated that my software could be worth something $30M if they put their millions to recruit a professional management team which I do not want. I want your support and not Venture Capital.

Scandiman
11-18-2010, 11:01 PM
I just updated the page to give more information how I will work and why you should trust me.
Being yesterday again in Bareclona bDigital mobile apps event to evaluate competition, I again didn't saw anything that could match to my ***erings. It's so flustrated that I can't execute new innovative ideas without owning a computer and cannot test them without owning a phone!!!

You don't have a computer to code with or a phone to test with, yet you have mobile web and/or app products to bring to market? You live in the UK and have money enough to travel to Barcelona but don't have money enough to buy a computer or phone, both of which you want others to buy for you in hopes of some possible future inbound link?

Do you realize how dumb this all sounds?

The e-mails I get from the exiled Zimbabwe prince wanting my help to launder $48.72 million are more convincing.

andymoore
11-19-2010, 08:48 AM
Oh Scandi, I didn't even know where to start picking flaws in that idea so left it.

MacBook leasing exists so the hurdle and barrier to getting the hardware is barely a barrier at all.

iPhones are easy to get your hands on. I know a few people with two, beg an old handset from someone if you're that desperate.

Why does this master craftsman not have the tools of his trade? That's like a baker hot having an oven and a builder not having any bricks. It really sounds you ****ed up big time along the way to get yourself into a position to have to solicit forum members for investment.

You've got some kind of PC and internet access to get online. Use that, develop something on the tools you have to get the cash to invest in the tools you need. If you're that great raising a few thousand dollars isn't going to kill you.

Folks ain't just gonna bail you out and I can think of a number of reasons why. The primary one being if you were really that skillful and that resourceful you'd have found a way to negate the need to ask.

veikoh
11-19-2010, 12:11 PM
You don't have a computer to code with or a phone to test with, yet you have mobile web and/or app products to bring to market? You live in the UK and have money enough to travel to Barcelona but don't have money enough to buy a computer or phone, both of which you want others to buy for you in hopes of some possible future inbound link?

Do you realize how dumb this all sounds?

The e-mails I get from the exiled Zimbabwe prince wanting my help to launder $48.72 million are more convincing.

I left UK in 2008 mostly hitchiking between France and Spain. In winter I'm in Barcelona because I can sleep here outside and church is giving me free food. Last year I earned $600 so it isn't much to buy anything. French people are more nice to give a people money in the street than in Spain but you can't much sleep outside there in winter. I have been homeless since 2004 constantly humiliated when you just ask a work, so please understand my situation. Since 2004 I have made over 20 decent business plans but haven't been able to execute non of those.
I think I have right to challence those apps in the market. Mine wont be some mobile interfaces only. They will solve persons problems having some unique algorithms inside.

veikoh
11-19-2010, 12:12 PM
You don't have a computer to code with or a phone to test with, yet you have mobile web and/or app products to bring to market? You live in the UK and have money enough to travel to Barcelona but don't have money enough to buy a computer or phone, both of which you want others to buy for you in hopes of some possible future inbound link?

Do you realize how dumb this all sounds?

The e-mails I get from the exiled Zimbabwe prince wanting my help to launder $48.72 million are more convincing.

I left UK in 2008 mostly hitchiking between France and Spain. In winter I'm in Barcelona because I can sleep here outside and church is giving me free food. Last year I earned $600 so it isn't much to buy anything. French people are more nice to give a people money in the street than in Spain but you can't much sleep outside there in winter. I have been homeless since 2004 constantly humiliated when you just ask a work, so please understand my situation. Since 2004 I have made over 20 decent business plans but haven't been able to execute non of those.
I think I have right to challence those apps in the market. Mine wont be some mobile interfaces only. They will solve persons problems having some unique algorithms inside.

veikoh
11-19-2010, 12:14 PM
Note. As an homeless person, I'm unable to get any leasing, bank account or contract phone.

andymoore
11-19-2010, 01:11 PM
I can only suggest you stick with the Churches, I'm not religious but feel a miracle is more likely to happen than someone investing / donating / gifting / gambling the cash to a homeless dude with no history other than going from self-professed child genius to **** up.

There but for the grace of God, go I however we live with our decisions; good and bad. You decided to backpack around Europe and have had plenty of time to pull things together, I don't wish to appear to be lacking compassion (far from when you understand idiot-compassion) but I've read people's books who've had a harder time than you're making out, they got on with making their lives change themselves.

They didn't beg, they didn't plead or drown in pity they fought and they fought so ****ing hard that life gave them no option but to win.

http://www.legion-recrute.com/en/

^ That might be your only viable option.

veikoh
11-19-2010, 01:42 PM
Hi Andy

It wasn't much my choice to start hitchiking and leave UK. You can't live on low budget in UK and when nobody doesn't do decent business there, you can't earn anything either. Worse was your CV people who even cannot spell the product names right where they should recruit specialists - http://www.veikoherne.com/2007/08/have-recruitment-agencies-destroyed-the-it-business/
Or let's take BBC. They answered to my Setland project that "nations and countries we have no whereabout cannot be interesting topic to our audience"??? To discover the undiscovered was the moto why media once was built, that's why I built my pirate radio station and worked on Internet technologies. It's not my problem that some bastards in BBC doesn't know some countries!!!
And what kind of corrupted judges you have there in UK. I had full right to be in prison in Northern Ireland if society doesn't tolerate my skills anymore. That what I demanded and at least people in Northern Ireland supported me during that process. Besides money they also supported my views to my questions http://www.veikoherne.com/2009/09/is-bbc-redefining-the-definition-of-film-now/ giving their signatures that BBC should be shut down which I sent to parlament before forced to leave.

Anyway, I feel that I have better use for my superior skills to write decent mobile apps rather than going to French Foreign Legion.

So, why you are denying my rigths to be useful to the society while society is begging decent apps again?

There is lot of work to do to re-establish credibility of technology sector in society to the level that it was in 2002 when NASDAQ still existed. Those British idiots going around and showing their cocks in mobile monday events or Barcelona GSM World are not helpful at all.

Good Independent programmers could be. If I do not raise enough for MacBook, I could still have a small netbook to start with Nokia for example.

Veiko



I have been sleeping outside and church food

andymoore
11-19-2010, 02:24 PM
I'm a former BBC ******* as you put it.

You're the problem dude, not the bastards at the BBC, not those at Mobile Monday getting their cocks out, you. Only you are denying yourself the right to a better life. Not me, I suggest you get over whatever ****ing huge chip you've got on your shoulder, stop bitching and do something positive.

veikoh
11-19-2010, 02:43 PM
I'm a former BBC ******* as you put it.

You're the problem dude, not the bastards at the BBC, not those at Mobile Monday getting their cocks out, you. Only you are denying yourself the right to a better life. Not me, I suggest you get over whatever ****ing huge chip you've got on your shoulder, stop bitching and do something positive.

Like drink a vine or something? Sick and tired of it. Give me a computer, I will write a decent programs which will win some awards gain like I did before. That's the only thing I'm asking here. So why you deny such kind of right from me and from society to have those programs? We will both win when those are going to the market.
But exactly I saw your arrogance and cretinism typical to BBC to save your small **** here.

andymoore
11-19-2010, 03:04 PM
Me and my small arrogant cretinous ***** are going for a large mixed grill then later tonight we'll sleep in luxury Egyptian cotton on soft; warm memory foam.

I shall give my spare iPhone and spare Mac an extra big hug tonight.

veikoh
11-19-2010, 03:13 PM
Me and my small arrogant cretinous ***** are going for a large mixed grill then later tonight we'll sleep in luxury Egyptian cotton on soft; warm memory foam.

I shall give my spare iPhone and spare Mac an extra big hug tonight.

The first part isn't much my dream at all. I hate such ind of things as I would like to have a small cheap sailing boat on which I could take challenges to sail it anywhere where I want to be, but if your spare iPhone and MacBook are unused, could I borrow them for some months?

andymoore
11-19-2010, 03:16 PM
You tell me I have a small arrogant cretinous ***** and want to borrow my Mac and iPhone.

What answer do you honestly expect me to give to that?

veikoh
11-19-2010, 03:24 PM
You tell me I have a small arrogant cretinous ***** and want to borrow my Mac and iPhone.

What answer do you honestly expect me to give to that?

If you do it, I declare that you have human spirit, business mind and entrepreneurial spirit left... if not, you are just what I expected based on my five year experinece in UK.

Scandiman
11-19-2010, 03:31 PM
Like drink a vine or something? Sick and tired of it. Give me a computer, I will write a decent programs which will win some awards gain like I did before. That's the only thing I'm asking here. So why you deny such kind of right from me and from society to have those programs? We will both win when those are going to the market.
But exactly I saw your arrogance and cretinism typical to BBC to save your small **** here.

Sounds like its always someone else to blame, the nasdaq, the bbc, the british, and now andy, everyone else is to blame for your situation except yourself. You have no right to have the things you want and demand them from others, you have the personal responsibility to stop wandering Europe and get a job to earn the money to buy the things you want.

Scandiman
11-19-2010, 03:32 PM
If you do it, I declare that you have human spirit, business mind and entrepreneurial spirit left... if not, you are just what I expected based on my five year experinece in UK.

If he did it I may declare him a fool

veikoh
11-19-2010, 03:44 PM
Sounds like its always someone else to blame, the nasdaq, the bbc, the british, and now andy, everyone else is to blame for your situation except yourself. You have no right to have the things you want and demand them from others, you have the personal responsibility to stop wandering Europe and get a job to earn the money to buy the things you want.

Im not demanding, I'm ***ering an opportunity for someone who wants to have credits in my apps. Is there any business spirit left here or are everyone writing free and open source?
Wanderring in Europe is only way to get any work nowadays even Spain and France economical situation is very bad, you may still get something on seasons. After NYC, I spent two meaningless years back in Estonia, then another two in Brighton where I got some part time testing work paying me less than I had to spent for my rent, then went Northern Ireland which sounded much better in first but those guys there doesn't much do business there. They expect that Brits should pay them somehow, so wasn't much able to get anything there and left. Programming and Internet marketing I could do anywhere so why I need to do it in such kind of expensive country?

morse
11-19-2010, 04:03 PM
Im not demanding, I'm ***ering an opportunity for someone who wants to have credits in my apps. Is there any business spirit left here or are everyone writing free and open source?
Wanderring in Europe is only way to get any work nowadays even Spain and France economical situation is very bad, you may still get something on seasons. After NYC, I spent two meaningless years back in Estonia, then another two in Brighton where I got some part time testing work paying me less than I had to spent for my rent, then went Northern Ireland which sounded much better in first but those guys there doesn't much do business there. They expect that Brits should pay them somehow, so wasn't much able to get anything there and left. Programming and Internet marketing I could do anywhere so why I need to do it in such kind of expensive country?
Sir, Have you ever been abducted by Aliens ?? Because that is the only reason left to be provided for something :)
Get a life dude, whoever you are. You seem to have a reason for every bad thing that happened to you, every other organization, nation, individual is to be blamed for your problem, and self blame? none .. right ?? You maybe a super intelligent revolutionary in your head, but practically you are very lazy. I myself have been through bad phases in my life, if I start writing those things here, most probably many would cry but whats the point in it? People who while never win. Am happy now, I started from trash and now am doing quite well. Whats wrong with you starting with basics ?? Internet has plethora of options to earn, why dont you utilize them? Why dont you start building a site on free hosting, earn some, save some, and then you will have some to buy some. Oops you already have a site, so why dont you earn from it?? A website can earn you 2000-3000 USD in maybe a year, given that you already have great skills.

Scandiman
11-19-2010, 04:20 PM
Im not demanding, I'm ***ering an opportunity for someone who wants to have credits in my apps. Is there any business spirit left here or are everyone writing free and open source?

Actually yes, you are making demands when you claim that Andy is somehow denying you your rights. And as for having a business spirit, it's alive and well, and the opportunity you are presenting is non-existent. The question is what is the business acumen of a homeless person who claims to have developed the first GUI, and why would anyone invest money with that person in hopes of gain?

veikoh
11-19-2010, 04:31 PM
It's really getting ridiculous here so obviosly I do not find any right partners who really want those credits.
I built the Internet since 1993, have been there a long time and do not see how I could earn enough from it besides being an idiot :) Google Ads CTR is as low as 0.17% getting you few cents per click nowadays.
I'm ***ering around ten unique mobile app ideas with huge market potential for iPhone where the real money is and you do not want those credits? Instead you are starting to spit on my entrepreneurial and business skills. Capitalism and the society based on basic intellectual values has definately ended at least in this thread :)
Look, you can't get much mobile visitors to your mobile site doing SEO because Google is taking mobile and non-mobile sites same way.
I have had several mobile sites online since 2007 to test the market and it's not viable.
So, I'm ***ering an alternative to get listed in my apps where I could give you a nice traffic.

Scandiman
11-19-2010, 04:55 PM
I hope your righteous indignation keeps you warm tonight.

veikoh
11-19-2010, 05:39 PM
I hope your righteous indignation keeps you warm tonight.

Thanks, I have no problem sleeping outside with my sleeping bag here over the winter in Barcelona. Besides the dreams you can start to see are so fantastic that no TV or Cinema cannot compare :)

I would have started to write iPhone apps since 2008 when I left UK hoping that launching and marketing a guy software properly in Internet would give me such kind of capital. He was an idiot trying to do everything himself and totally killed his project possibilities.
Last year Barcelona GSM World I attended to WIP JAM and got exited the idea again seeing it as an viable business. So, in summer I got to WIP JAM again in Marseille evaluating competition and making good contacts. Afterwards in Paris I worked with lot of app ideas, pitching them to a friend in UK who could find me an investor there. Then in September, I went back to Barcelona where I have better working conditions in library to write the specs down within a week.
You can get new ideas when you are living in the street rather than in your closed luxury home.
He loved those and insisted that we should write it for iPhone. Later he have only apologied that he has been too busy to dedicate himself to this project and I haven't heard much from him afterwards.
So I sent them to Nokia. Nokia loved them as well so I asked a computer and mobile phone from them to code those. In wednesday I met other Nokia guys here in Barcelona and seems that everyone in Nokia know now me there by name now. Anyway, they explained that it takes same time to get so small things from Nokia as it takes for big decisions. Within this few month period this app would have been already in market if I would have had a computer to write it and phone to test it. Because of algorithms and data collection, I have need to a camera phone where I could test those algorithms in real life and build the database.
That's why I'm ***ering this alternative oportunity for anyone interested here. Starting to accuse me that I'm havent done much efforts in my life to earn money was a really stupid accusition for me. I earned very well before 2002 and my software products where valuated once being worth something $30M or so by VC due-diligence process if I can recruit a management team. Afterwards the capitalism died because there wasnt anymore global stock market to evaluate products in real.
My background is in music and I could tell, that most of the street musicians are the real ones and not those making music with their computer and publishing those free of charge to Youtube. Street musicians have still earn their living. So could I writing decent code anywhere (I did it previously mostly in airports and airplanes) even in the parc where I live.

andymoore
11-19-2010, 05:54 PM
Whatever bud you're smoking will you post me some please because it's way better than the stuff I can get here.

I'll pay ten euro a gram, send me an ounce and I'll send you an iPhone.

veikoh
11-19-2010, 06:23 PM
Whatever bud you're smoking will you post me some please because it's way better than the stuff I can get here.

I'll pay ten euro a gram, send me an ounce and I'll send you an iPhone.

Actually I do not smoke anything... haven't had much effect to me and the smell sucks :) That's why I didn't get a job in Nederland because currently they are hiring only drug addicts there and that's why I can't get a shower in Barcelona because social showers are only for drug addicts and alcholics here.

I need a computer before iPhone. iPhone does not help me at the moment at all. With 279.99 EUR I could get a cheapest Netbook to write it to Nokia for example. But I need a Nokias phone as well to test it.

I could send you some usual tobaco from here because it's much more affordable that your ridiculous prices in UK. A 30g packet costs two euros.

Scandiman
11-19-2010, 07:04 PM
Oh Scandi, I didn't even know where to start picking flaws in that idea so left it.

And now except for the entertainment value I wish I'd left it too.

veikoh
11-19-2010, 07:35 PM
Obviously there is no decent people here so I will leave your board. Good luck selling your viagras.

Scandiman
11-19-2010, 08:50 PM
Obviously there is no decent people here so I will leave your board. Good luck selling your viagras.

predictable bitter epithet aside, good luck to you as well selling non-existent back links.

ChinaMobi
11-19-2010, 08:50 PM
Obviously there is no decent people here so I will leave your board.
Hello Veiko. I think we have a lot of decent people here on this forum, but we are not a bunch of dreamers in their 20s. Many have perhaps learned the hard facts of life, me included. We start and use what we have, to get to where we want to reach.

I wrote my first program at age of 10, at age 17 I rewrote the full IBM mainframe operating system, I developed first GUI long before Microsoft in 1989 for Z80 computer. If your story is true, that's a really incredible achievement. With such exceptional talents, I see no reason why you cannot succeed.

Start small. Use whatever resources you already have now. I look forward to seeing your killer apps selling like hot cakes on the market.

veikoh
11-20-2010, 03:16 PM
predictable bitter epithet aside, good luck to you as well selling non-existent back links.
I think we are talking little bit different here. Backlinks are something that you need for Google and your credits in mobile app doesn't have any effect for your search rankings. Lot's of apps are financed by sponsorship (that was the first ***er my friend tried to arrange as well) but as he was busy, I lowered my ***er to start programming again and put it to invested.in as I have several new ideas in my mind to execute.
Why you need to wait to pay $2-$3 per click when you could have permanent links in my apps for $100?
My lifestyle has no effect what I coukld archive. If UK would have been a decent country, I would have been in prison like other honest persons in Northern Ireland have been before me and not forced to wander around (which has been a fun as well but currently getting flustrating).
Besides, how can I delete my membership here?

andymoore
11-20-2010, 07:20 PM
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limomobi
11-21-2010, 08:41 AM
http://www.testiphone.com With this site, you don't need an actual iPhone to check your work. So one down, and only one hurdle left: computer. Aren't you using one to log into this forum? Can't you code using that computer.

So there you have it. A computer and a site to test your creations.

gogo
11-21-2010, 09:06 AM
Nothing wrong with life on the road, all you need is pay as you go mobile broadband. Or an internet cafe or city with free wifi.

I have known people to live in canal boats, tents, treehouses, agricultural sheds and life was good. But you do have to fight *** rats to protect your food supplies, best to keep food in a metal box.

I once travelled the length of Spain and on days when it was too late to find a place to stay I sheltered in cowsheds, machinery buildings, even a bit of an old castle.

Best of luck.

veikoh
11-23-2010, 11:31 AM
Hello Veiko. I think we have a lot of decent people here on this forum, but we are not a bunch of dreamers in their 20s. Many have perhaps learned the hard facts of life, me included. We start and use what we have, to get to where we want to reach.

Start small. Use whatever resources you already have now. I look forward to seeing your killer apps selling like hot cakes on the market.

Thanks for your encouragment. The problem is not persons in 20ties. I'm a member of youngentrepreneur.com where lot of people in 20ties or even 12-14 years old are normal and doing normal business. It seems to be a one nation problem who have replaced professionalism with arrogance and cretisim even if they are 20ties, 30ties or 40ties.
Good example was from those webmasters boards where I made concrete proof that their theories about NOFOLLOW tag are wrong. So finally they accused me that being in top of Google results with desired searches does not count because I haven't heard their theories about "Global Branding" :) So, I haven't been anymore on those boards so I would probably leave this one as well. I just created LinkedIn group at http://www.linkedin.com/e/-2ocabq-gguot4a9-6d/vgh/3693812/ (http://www.linkedin.com/e/-2ocabq-gguot4a9-6d/vgh/3693812/eml-grp-sub/) so maybe we could be more civilised and professional there. Welcome to join.

Andy: Where the hell you have got idea that I ever want to get back to UK?
I do not need your NHS service, but you probably will need being hospitalised in some mental institution for your drug habits.

veikoh
11-23-2010, 11:56 AM
http://www.testiphone.com With this site, you don't need an actual iPhone to check your work. So one down, and only one hurdle left: computer. Aren't you using one to log into this forum? Can't you code using that computer.

So there you have it. A computer and a site to test your creations.

It does not much help me. I never had a problem to write a code that doesn't work. I do every change for Internet sites online as well. I need to test the concept and algorithms for my applications and build the preliminary database withn mobile phone. We are talking about different types of applications here.

andymoore
11-23-2010, 03:24 PM
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*james*
12-13-2010, 04:20 PM
Google Ads CTR is as low as 0.17% getting you few cents per click nowadays.
I'm ***ering around ten unique mobile app ideas with huge market potential for iPhone where the real money is and you do not want those credits? Instead you are starting to spit on my entrepreneurial and business skills. Capitalism and the society based on basic intellectual values has definately ended at least in this thread :)
Look, you can't get much mobile visitors to your mobile site doing SEO because Google is taking mobile and non-mobile sites same way.
I have had several mobile sites online since 2007 to test the market and it's not viable.


Veikoh you certainly have a good grasp of the mobile internet market - especially if you haven't had proper internet access/ housing etc

I guess you need to look at a feasible way of putting this to good use. Maybe doing a bit of freelancing for someone rather than asking for investment is the way to go?

*james*
12-13-2010, 04:28 PM
Also if it's come to sleeping rough and getting food from the church would also suggest getting any kind of work you can - not necessarily in mobile or development just to get some cash coming in.

Tim
12-14-2010, 05:30 AM
It's funny how two people from completely different lives can see something from the same vantage point. Interesting. lol I think this guy is smart. He probably did do the things he claims. Either people are so bored here that they play with apparent confidence men to fill their time (aplenty?) or they find enough credibility in the statements to somehow have a fear reaction. Just my two cents from I don't give a s h it land.

Scandiman
12-15-2010, 06:22 PM
It's funny how two people from completely different lives can see something from the same vantage point. Interesting. lol I think this guy is smart. He probably did do the things he claims. Either people are so bored here that they play with apparent confidence men to fill their time (aplenty?) or they find enough credibility in the statements to somehow have a fear reaction. Just my two cents from I don't give a s h it land.

For me Tim it's about pointing out BS. Veikoh claims in his opening post to have developed the first GUI, that would mean the history on this revolutionary change in computing is completely wrong or that he worked in Xerox PARC pre-1973. You decide.