A major issue that still has not been attended to........

[Pred]

Over 3 years in, dot mobi still have reserved premium domains not resolving but not even redirecting. The same problem exists with reserved 1 and 2 premium character .mobi domains
I find it inexcusable, enough work is not being done imho
I'm not looking for excuses Vance, just action
Read the article:
http://okok.com/why-dot-mobi-should-be-redirecting-premium-domains-reserved-domains/

Thoughts from everyone very much welcome :coo2l:

[youmo]

Lets not also forget, legal documents can be adjusted over time. I don't see any downside to this.

[newdomainer]

With you all the way; it looks totally second-rate when you compare boots.mobi to love.me..... come on mtld.... get with the programme!

[photoman]

I think this topic has been raised in the past. Isn't it an ICANN issue, wether this is allowed?

Would also like to see this happen though, it would certainly raise awareness!...

[coast]

I think this topic has been raised in the past. Isn't it an ICANN issue, wether this is allowed?

Would also like to see this happen though, it would certainly raise awareness!...

I remember this discussion, and yes, it is an ICANN issue. Perhaps this could be brought up with ICANN to initiate this kind of change?

[Scandiman]

What is to be gained by doing this?

[Pred]

What is to be gained by doing this?

ur kidding, right?

read article :coo2l:
http://okok.com/why-dot-mobi-should-be-redirecting-premium-domains-reserved-domains/

[Scandiman]

ur kidding, right?

read article :coo2l:
http://okok.com/why-dot-mobi-should-be-redirecting-premium-domains-reserved-domains/

I'm serious and I did read the article. I guess my point is that I don't see the namespace benefiting from parking pages, be it from Sedo or mTLD. mTLD not posting a page reading "this name is for sale" isn't a major problem IMO. Besides, if natural traffic to .mobi domains is as bad as many think then hardly no one but domainers will be seeing these parked pages anyway.

[youmo]

hardly no one but domainers will be seeing these parked pages anyway.

Every little bit of exposure helps!
But clearly its not just domainers visiting mobi sites. And not every visitor is bought via an ad.

For every end user that embraces .mobi there must be more that are on the fence, or unaware that they can potentially obtain a key name or term.

How about this scenario- end user x, who sells golf equipment, hears about these mobi domains, and someone in marketing or management on a whim goes to golf.mobi to check it out. Finds nothing, says ok thats boring, and moves on.

Scenario B- end user x, who sells golf equipment, hears about these mobi domains, and someone in marketing or management goes to golf.mobi on a whim to check it out. Finds a big sign that says- The ultimate mobile marketing tool for golf on the mobile web can be yours, email here...
Surely this can't be bad.

Yes, most marketing folks are oblivious to the benefits of generic domains, but not all. Hence we see sales like casino.mobi. All sales have to start somewhere, be it word of mouth or whatever. Someone of influence talks to someone or sees something. I am guessing that mtld will sell more names in the future. I am guessing that there is someone out there right now that currently doesn't know about .mobi, but that will buy a decent generic mobi domain at some point in the future. So why not help this process along?

Just needs a few emails, a meeting or two, and some legal fees.

[Scandiman]

Every little bit of exposure helps!
But clearly its not just domainers visiting mobi sites. And not every visitor is bought via an ad.

For every end user that embraces .mobi there must be more that are on the fence, or unaware that they can potentially obtain a key name or term.

How about this scenario- end user x, who sells golf equipment, hears about these mobi domains, and someone in marketing or management on a whim goes to golf.mobi to check it out. Finds nothing, says ok thats boring, and moves on.

Scenario B- end user x, who sells golf equipment, hears about these mobi domains, and someone in marketing or management goes to golf.mobi on a whim to check it out. Finds a big sign that says- The ultimate mobile marketing tool for golf on the mobile web can be yours, email here...
Surely this can't be bad.

Yes, most marketing folks are oblivious to the benefits of generic domains, but not all. Hence we see sales like casino.mobi. All sales have to start somewhere, be it word of mouth or whatever. Someone of influence talks to someone or sees something. I am guessing that mtld will sell more names in the future. I am guessing that there is someone out there right now that currently doesn't know about .mobi, but that will buy a decent generic mobi domain at some point in the future. So why not help this process along?

Just needs a few emails, a meeting or two, and some legal fees.

From my perspective the focus needs to be on what will make major differences in awareness and I don't see this aspect of things making major change. If I'm an end user (which I am BTW), I will already know my market and what domains are the right fit. Whois is my gateway to contacting the owner, I don't need a parking page to do that.

Would an mTLD parking page cause harm? Not at all, I just don't think it will help much of anything. The greater issue at hand in this regards is how available is mTLD to serious inquiries for Premium names? A parking page doesn't do anything to answer that question and whois works perfectly to contact a domain owner. This is why I don't consider this a "major issue" at all.

BTW, I know it was just an example but Golf.mobi doesn't resolve and there's little or nothing mTLD can do about it:

Domain Name: GOLF.MOBI
Admin Organization: Time Inc.

[gogo]

An idea that has been mentioned before: create a standalone company and transfer these domains to them and let then do something with them. If they sell, lease, or develop them, the profits go to MTLD.

Many people looking in the Whois and seeing a domain has a trademark mentioned there will just give up - they have no immediate way of knowing that these are reserved names, or that you could apply to get them- they look taken. All the unsold premium names show a trademark in the whois and look unavailable.

No questions are ever answered about what will be done with these names. In the absence of any reply, the likely answer is: nothing, and there is no strategy.

And don't forget we have not seen the company's 2008-2009 financial report yet - they applied for a six month extension on the filing date so at the latest it is due next month http://mobility.mobi/showthread.php?t=46972&highlight=overdue#11
Then we'll know what sort of resources they have after all the staff departures.

[youmo]

This is why I don't consider this a "major issue" at all.

Agreed its not a major issue. I am just agreeing that it might be beneficial.

[Pred]

I'm serious and I did read the article. I guess my point is that I don't see the namespace benefiting from parking pages, be it from Sedo or mTLD. mTLD not posting a page reading "this name is for sale" isn't a major problem IMO. Besides, if natural traffic to .mobi domains is as bad as many think then hardly no one but domainers will be seeing these parked pages anyway.

well as i explined it wont be a parked page, as they cant do that. a redirect though to a nparticular page explaining about rfp and/or purhasing too would be option. the rfp page they have now is ok, if the 1 and 2 character domains were redirected there, not to simply not resolve. to be content with them not resolving is pure stupidity imho, especially after 3 years.
as mentioned by youmo too many dont know about whois and would be put off by it saying trademark, mtld etc

remember you're a developer , but you're a domainer too like it or not. the stuff you know about contacting domain owners, whois etc, drops 99% of world wont know. im going to suggest many finding page doesnt resolve will think domain doesnt exist,
that goes for gimp in it dept of companies too in many cases
what .me does is how it should be. again all explained in article i think :coo2l:

lastly, as far as traffic, my traffic is growing on .mobis bigger than anything else. .info , .net get basically nothing, like they dont exist. generic .orgs i get traffic in waves. low, but high quality ctr
my .mobis are a revelation. a percentage of them anyway. outperforming pretty much everything. i bet some of the top terms and reserved 1 and 2 character get good traffic.
either way, this idea for me is a nobrainer. there simply is not any reason not to do it imho. and if mtld are paranoid about icann, use .me example and ring them everyday to ask them to do it if they have too
i want them to be working on other stuff too obviously but this is a traffic tap that can be redirected to a page or two on their site which can result in sales and more getting developed. insane to have that tap being emptied down drain every day.
especially when a percentage of traffic may want to develop or buy the domain or wonder if regged as their company

[coast]

Insightful, Pred. Thanks. Rep+

[Scandiman]

there simply is not any reason not to do it imho.

I completely agree that there is no reason not to do it. Similarly there is no reason not to mow my lawn right now either, but it won't accomplish much because it's the same height it was a month ago. My efforts are better spent elsewhere around the house, just as I think mTLD's efforts could be better spent on other things as well.

Now the point about the Premium names whois reading "Trademark Name: Premium Name" I agree is very misleading. Even the seasoned end user may not understand whats going on with a name that appears to be held by a trademark owner in Dublin.

[Pred]

I completely agree that there is no reason not to do it. Similarly there is no reason not to mow my lawn right now either, but it won't accomplish much because it's the same height it was a month ago. My efforts are better spent elsewhere around the house, just as I think mTLD's efforts could be better spent on other things as well.



i'm sure mtld can multi task, especially as they are getting paid to do their job
incidentally , is your lawn the same height it was on september 26th 2006? as if you're using that analogy you'll see my point.
that's well over 3 years ago, their lawn should be a well tended area. instead it's been left untended. people will find , well nothing when typing in in these domains. stifling development possibilities and enduser sales.
more money in their pot to do other pressing work and getting the .mobi name known via organic development from endusers
this is not rocket science and can be accomplished. getting on for 3.5 years later, nothing, is a disgrace
whether you agree or not is by the by. i'm right on this and people should demand action from mtld on this.
as i explained about the .me registry, thats how it's done. something similar.
i will forward this thread to pinky i think, see if he can get something done