TLD
08-21-2007, 06:29 PM
who says mTld does nothing.. this may serve for an interesting discussion. the whole thing seems too dramatic and both sides do not appear to use the proper tone. see who's throwing the tomatoes ...
:tomato::eek2::tomato::damnmate::motz::viking::fig ht:
http://www.gomonews.com/pushing_the_barrier/2007/08/five-reasons-to.html
August 17, 2007
Five reasons to hate dotmobi
Rating: cold, hot, ice-bloody-cold
by Bena Roberts (http://www.bkimedia.com/)
GoMo News is known for its wicked tongue – but because my mate Georgina Hart at Edelman (now also at Orange) raved on about dotMobi to me for so long – I gave in to pressure. Got a gomonews.mobi name and gave the whole thing a go.
We now own: http://bkimedia.zinadoo.mobi (http://bkimedia.zinadoo.mobi/) and http://www.gomonews.mobi (http://www.gomonews.mobi/)
So, what happens?
All bullish of my new domain and sexy new WAP design I start clicking around dotMobi sites and god only knows I must have signed up to something or another to warrant this response:
Bena – I was happy to read on your site that gomonews has gone .mobi, and thank you very much for your submission to the showcase. However, according to http://ready.mobi (http://ready.mobi/), gomonews.mobi is not .mobi compliant and scores only a 3/5 on the report because it does not use XHTML Mobile Profile and Valid Markup, and – conversely – because it uses frames. (And a side note: “www” is not necessary – nor in compliance – with dotMobi guides to make getting to a site easier).
For more information on making your site adhere to these specifications, please see http://dev.mobi/node/200 (http://dev.mobi/node/200) for XHTML Mobile Profile information and http://dev.mobi/node/198 (http://dev.mobi/node/198) for Valid Markup information. You may also want to take advantage of the templates at http://dev.mobi/node/10 (http://dev.mobi/node/10).
Also, I don’t know if you’ve tried the dotMobi Site Builder at http://site.mobi (http://site.mobi/), but it’s a very easy tool to use and to build sites. I’d be interested to hear your feedback.
Thank you for your understanding and for your ongoing interest in the .mobi domain.
-- Vance
Vance P. Hedderel
Director, PR and Communications
dotMobi (mTLD Mobile Top Level Domain Ltd.)
Earth calling dotMobi.. can you hear me?
What we think?
Five reasons to hate dotmobi
1. This is pure arrogance
2. GoDaddy – where I purchased the domain did not tell me anything about the www issue. Was I suppose to guess this or do you need more than the two degrees that I have to get a dotMobi address.
3. How many links did he send me? Like I have time now to correct all of this and go back and sort it out?
4. *** ****** ************ ****!?! and I should have listened to Russell Beattie (http://www.russellbeattie.com/blog/)
5. Please feel free to add own comment here.
Lastly - I just checked and the site works automatically with or without the www.
see: http://gomonews.mobi (http://gomonews.mobi/)
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I'm sorry that you found what was intended to be friendly note on helping make gomonews.mobi be the best possible mobile presence it can be as "arrogant."
dotMobi's site showcase submission form at http://mtld.mobi/sitesubmit (http://mtld.mobi/sitesubmit) -- where I received notice of your site -- says, "For consideration, all sites must receive a 5/5 on the http://ready.mobi (http://ready.mobi/) report and all sites must be compliant with .mobi standards and best practices."
I think your readers need to have that context to better understand the note I sent you (and you posted), which was in reply to receiving your site submission.
What is special about .mobi as a domain -- and no other formulation like mobile.site.com or site.com/mobile can offer -- is that we can police
sites for technical specifications to ensure that all .mobi sites work on all internet-enabled mobile phone.
This special feature of the .mobi domain was granted to us by ICANN to ensure that end-users always have a good experience when accessing a .mobi site. The compliance rules are simple:
1. XHTML Mobile Profile
2. No "www"
3. No frames
The note I sent was to indicate that number 1 and 2 above were not met.
You told me in a separate note that you constructed your site via a tool from a company called Wapple. While I see on their site that they say, "Wapple Canvas(tm) is already .mobi standard compliant," dotMobi has not actively worked with Wapple and cannot guarantee that its output is compliant.
dotMobi makes a free site builder available at http://site.mobi (http://site.mobi/) as do vendors like Nubiq and Akmin, all of which output .mobi-compliant content. (For example, your other .mobi site -- http://bkimedia.zinadoo.mobi (http://bkimedia.zinadoo.mobi/) -- is fully .mobi compliant and scores a 5/5 on the http://ready.mobi (http://ready.mobi/) report)
For your comment about "www," this isn't usually an issue; this was intended as an "FYI."
And in regards to your links concern, I sent five links, which -- if you develop mobile sites on a regular basis -- you will find useful. I can shorthand all of those into http://dev.mobi, (http://dev.mobi,/) the dotMobi Developer Forum, where this information is
contained.
These slight road bumps aside, I think you'll find the mobile web is a tenable proposition for many people. Since December 2006, more than 3.2 million pages of .mobi content have been indexed by Google, and I look forward to seeing how http://bkimedia.zinadoo.mobi (http://bkimedia.zinadoo.mobi/) and http://gomonews.mobi (http://gomonews.mobi/) progress as part of that content wave.
Posted by: Vance Hedderel, Director of PR & Communications (http://www.typepad.com/t/comments?__mode=red&user_id=1093604&id=79978113) | August 19, 2007 at 08:15 PM (http://www.gomonews.com/pushing_the_barrier/2007/08/five-reasons-to.html#comment-79978113)
Vance - thanks for your clarification - I didn't realise that I submitted the site or I forgot it. Its only that I have been really trying to support .mobi might have gotten the wrong end of the stick.
I suppose I should push bkimedia.zinadoo.mobi for showcasing then!
regards,
bena
Posted by: bena roberts (http://www.typepad.com/t/comments?__mode=red&user_id=1093604&id=80036297) | August 20, 2007 at 02:48 PM (http://www.gomonews.com/pushing_the_barrier/2007/08/five-reasons-to.html#comment-80036297)
Regarding the frameset issue, I can see that the way your url is configured is to use what is known as web forwarding.
Simply put, your site is running inside a frame rather than directly onto the page. IMHO this is a despicable practice and all domain name resellers that do it should be lined up and shot. I’ve been caught out in the past by this kind of affair and I can tell you from experience that it’s not nice.
I'd suggest that you contact whomever you set this up with to resolve the issue. Tell them that you bought the domain name and you would like it pointed directly at your site.
Once you fix this issue, there is one more thing outstanding. I notice that you are using the rss feed function to read in your news articles. In order to maintain compliance your rss feed must also be compliant with the rss 2.0 specification. I can see that one of your articles contains an ‘&’ which is not valid markup (rss is xml and requires &s to be encoded as ).
With these two issues resolved your site will meet the requirements.
The current site running beneath your gomonews url was built and is hosted on our earlier platform ‘Console’. Our new platform ‘Wapple Canvas’ (tm) has a number of advantages over this previous platform.
With Wapple Canvas (tm) you are able to create far richer mobile internet sites than on any other site building platform. I would suggest upgrading your site as soon as possible and our support staff will be happy to help.
Posted by: Rich Holdsworth (http://www.typepad.com/t/comments?__mode=red&user_id=1093604&id=80057339) | August 20, 2007 at 06:22 PM (http://www.gomonews.com/pushing_the_barrier/2007/08/five-reasons-to.html#comment-80057339)
:tomato::eek2::tomato::damnmate::motz::viking::fig ht:
http://www.gomonews.com/pushing_the_barrier/2007/08/five-reasons-to.html
August 17, 2007
Five reasons to hate dotmobi
Rating: cold, hot, ice-bloody-cold
by Bena Roberts (http://www.bkimedia.com/)
GoMo News is known for its wicked tongue – but because my mate Georgina Hart at Edelman (now also at Orange) raved on about dotMobi to me for so long – I gave in to pressure. Got a gomonews.mobi name and gave the whole thing a go.
We now own: http://bkimedia.zinadoo.mobi (http://bkimedia.zinadoo.mobi/) and http://www.gomonews.mobi (http://www.gomonews.mobi/)
So, what happens?
All bullish of my new domain and sexy new WAP design I start clicking around dotMobi sites and god only knows I must have signed up to something or another to warrant this response:
Bena – I was happy to read on your site that gomonews has gone .mobi, and thank you very much for your submission to the showcase. However, according to http://ready.mobi (http://ready.mobi/), gomonews.mobi is not .mobi compliant and scores only a 3/5 on the report because it does not use XHTML Mobile Profile and Valid Markup, and – conversely – because it uses frames. (And a side note: “www” is not necessary – nor in compliance – with dotMobi guides to make getting to a site easier).
For more information on making your site adhere to these specifications, please see http://dev.mobi/node/200 (http://dev.mobi/node/200) for XHTML Mobile Profile information and http://dev.mobi/node/198 (http://dev.mobi/node/198) for Valid Markup information. You may also want to take advantage of the templates at http://dev.mobi/node/10 (http://dev.mobi/node/10).
Also, I don’t know if you’ve tried the dotMobi Site Builder at http://site.mobi (http://site.mobi/), but it’s a very easy tool to use and to build sites. I’d be interested to hear your feedback.
Thank you for your understanding and for your ongoing interest in the .mobi domain.
-- Vance
Vance P. Hedderel
Director, PR and Communications
dotMobi (mTLD Mobile Top Level Domain Ltd.)
Earth calling dotMobi.. can you hear me?
What we think?
Five reasons to hate dotmobi
1. This is pure arrogance
2. GoDaddy – where I purchased the domain did not tell me anything about the www issue. Was I suppose to guess this or do you need more than the two degrees that I have to get a dotMobi address.
3. How many links did he send me? Like I have time now to correct all of this and go back and sort it out?
4. *** ****** ************ ****!?! and I should have listened to Russell Beattie (http://www.russellbeattie.com/blog/)
5. Please feel free to add own comment here.
Lastly - I just checked and the site works automatically with or without the www.
see: http://gomonews.mobi (http://gomonews.mobi/)
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I'm sorry that you found what was intended to be friendly note on helping make gomonews.mobi be the best possible mobile presence it can be as "arrogant."
dotMobi's site showcase submission form at http://mtld.mobi/sitesubmit (http://mtld.mobi/sitesubmit) -- where I received notice of your site -- says, "For consideration, all sites must receive a 5/5 on the http://ready.mobi (http://ready.mobi/) report and all sites must be compliant with .mobi standards and best practices."
I think your readers need to have that context to better understand the note I sent you (and you posted), which was in reply to receiving your site submission.
What is special about .mobi as a domain -- and no other formulation like mobile.site.com or site.com/mobile can offer -- is that we can police
sites for technical specifications to ensure that all .mobi sites work on all internet-enabled mobile phone.
This special feature of the .mobi domain was granted to us by ICANN to ensure that end-users always have a good experience when accessing a .mobi site. The compliance rules are simple:
1. XHTML Mobile Profile
2. No "www"
3. No frames
The note I sent was to indicate that number 1 and 2 above were not met.
You told me in a separate note that you constructed your site via a tool from a company called Wapple. While I see on their site that they say, "Wapple Canvas(tm) is already .mobi standard compliant," dotMobi has not actively worked with Wapple and cannot guarantee that its output is compliant.
dotMobi makes a free site builder available at http://site.mobi (http://site.mobi/) as do vendors like Nubiq and Akmin, all of which output .mobi-compliant content. (For example, your other .mobi site -- http://bkimedia.zinadoo.mobi (http://bkimedia.zinadoo.mobi/) -- is fully .mobi compliant and scores a 5/5 on the http://ready.mobi (http://ready.mobi/) report)
For your comment about "www," this isn't usually an issue; this was intended as an "FYI."
And in regards to your links concern, I sent five links, which -- if you develop mobile sites on a regular basis -- you will find useful. I can shorthand all of those into http://dev.mobi, (http://dev.mobi,/) the dotMobi Developer Forum, where this information is
contained.
These slight road bumps aside, I think you'll find the mobile web is a tenable proposition for many people. Since December 2006, more than 3.2 million pages of .mobi content have been indexed by Google, and I look forward to seeing how http://bkimedia.zinadoo.mobi (http://bkimedia.zinadoo.mobi/) and http://gomonews.mobi (http://gomonews.mobi/) progress as part of that content wave.
Posted by: Vance Hedderel, Director of PR & Communications (http://www.typepad.com/t/comments?__mode=red&user_id=1093604&id=79978113) | August 19, 2007 at 08:15 PM (http://www.gomonews.com/pushing_the_barrier/2007/08/five-reasons-to.html#comment-79978113)
Vance - thanks for your clarification - I didn't realise that I submitted the site or I forgot it. Its only that I have been really trying to support .mobi might have gotten the wrong end of the stick.
I suppose I should push bkimedia.zinadoo.mobi for showcasing then!
regards,
bena
Posted by: bena roberts (http://www.typepad.com/t/comments?__mode=red&user_id=1093604&id=80036297) | August 20, 2007 at 02:48 PM (http://www.gomonews.com/pushing_the_barrier/2007/08/five-reasons-to.html#comment-80036297)
Regarding the frameset issue, I can see that the way your url is configured is to use what is known as web forwarding.
Simply put, your site is running inside a frame rather than directly onto the page. IMHO this is a despicable practice and all domain name resellers that do it should be lined up and shot. I’ve been caught out in the past by this kind of affair and I can tell you from experience that it’s not nice.
I'd suggest that you contact whomever you set this up with to resolve the issue. Tell them that you bought the domain name and you would like it pointed directly at your site.
Once you fix this issue, there is one more thing outstanding. I notice that you are using the rss feed function to read in your news articles. In order to maintain compliance your rss feed must also be compliant with the rss 2.0 specification. I can see that one of your articles contains an ‘&’ which is not valid markup (rss is xml and requires &s to be encoded as ).
With these two issues resolved your site will meet the requirements.
The current site running beneath your gomonews url was built and is hosted on our earlier platform ‘Console’. Our new platform ‘Wapple Canvas’ (tm) has a number of advantages over this previous platform.
With Wapple Canvas (tm) you are able to create far richer mobile internet sites than on any other site building platform. I would suggest upgrading your site as soon as possible and our support staff will be happy to help.
Posted by: Rich Holdsworth (http://www.typepad.com/t/comments?__mode=red&user_id=1093604&id=80057339) | August 20, 2007 at 06:22 PM (http://www.gomonews.com/pushing_the_barrier/2007/08/five-reasons-to.html#comment-80057339)