Changes to Rep System

[Andres Kello]

There have been a few changes to the Rep system.

You can now only give Rep 3 times a day.

Also, you cannot give Rep to the same person twice in a row.

So choose who you give Rep to wisely. This new system should help keep the Rep system more pure and make it about quality, not quantity, making those green bars on a username even more noteworthy.

[Scandiman]

I'm fine with that Andres.

[GijsZePa]

You can now only give Rep 3 times a day.


Well...I expect that Trixy and Holly need to go into Rehab ...
:banghead:

Martin

[Dave]

Well...I expect that Trixy and Holly need to go into Rehab ...
:banghead:

Martin
I'm more concerned about Pred -- he may have to be committed! :nurse:

:elefant: :lalala: :elefant: :lalala: :elefant: :lalala: :elefant: :lalala: :elefant: :lalala: :elefant:

[coast]

Well...I expect that Trixy and Holly need to go into Rehab ...
:banghead:

Martin

Well my postcount won't go up so high, that's for sure :dontknow:

Oh the irony... I just tried to rep you Martin and it wouldn't let me.....

[GijsZePa]

Well my postcount won't go up so high, that's for sure :dontknow:

Oh the irony... I just tried to rep you Martin and it wouldn't let me.....

Ah well..one of the new features is to add an event to your calendar...
so you can rep me 2morrow :)

Martin

[domainitrix]

Well...I expect that Trixy and Holly need to go into Rehab ...
:banghead:

Martin

Thou shall not call my name in vain.:argh::laugh:
Great change. Now, if you don't mind me, I have other things to do than talk about rep, rep, rep --giving it, receiving it. And I don't have gospel verse about it. And no, I don't need no rehab either! How do I neg rep? :laugh:

[Pred]

I'm more concerned about Pred -- he may have to be committed! :nurse:



sorry if there's a few typos, having trouble typing with my toes :confused2: :biggrin:

http://www.thenewcity.info/images/straight_jacket.bmp

[GijsZePa]

sorry if there's a few typos, having trouble typing with my toes :confused2: :biggrin:

http://www.thenewcity.info/images/straight_jacket.bmp


ROTFLMAO :adore::adore::adore:

Martin

[domainitrix]

sorry if there's a few typos, having trouble typing with my toes :confused2: :biggrin:

:laugh::adore:

Awwww I feel your pain cookie:
My gift... the ultimate best, certified Columbian Emerald for ya. http://www.mysticmerchant.com/emerald/emerald7x6x4-emscf7a.jpg

Plus, I've bribed the prison guards to get you some green fix.
http://www.math.duke.edu/~mgratton/choose/straitjacket.jpg

You're hilarious Pred:adore::adore:!

[Pred]

lol Trix
you can have one of my emerald reps for day:coo2l:

here's a variation on the theme lol
http://mobility.mobi/showthread.php?p=48801#post48801

[coast]

Andres, would you kindly look into this again? People are contributing a lot on here and I can't rep them. As you can see I have plenty of green bars of my own, but I do not believe I have abused the system and I would like to give recognition to others as I have been doing. For example, acc has added a free photoshop book - an entire book! Pchip made his first .mobi developed site. I can't rep them as I already repped people who did other worthwhile things already today. I am sure there are others but when I get the "you have given out too much reputation in the past 24 hours," it penalizes people who are contributing imho.

Thanks for looking into this. I hope we can arrive at a better solution than limiting us to provide recognition to others three times in a 24 hour period.

[Andres Kello]

Andres, would you kindly look into this again? People are contributing a lot on here and I can't rep them. As you can see I have plenty of green bars of my own, but I do not believe I have abused the system and I would like to give recognition to others as I have been doing. For example, acc has added a free photoshop book - an entire book! Pchip made his first .mobi developed site. I can't rep them as I already repped people who did other worthwhile things already today. I am sure there are others but when I get the "you have given out too much reputation in the past 24 hours," it penalizes people who are contributing imho.

Thanks for looking into this. I hope we can arrive at a better solution than limiting us to provide recognition to others three times in a 24 hour period.Hi coast, thanks for your thoughts on this. No one has been abusing the Rep system and that's not the reason for the 3-a-day limit. The reason is simple laws of Supply and Demand. The less supply there is of something, the more valuable it becomes. And that's exactly what I'm going for, I want to make Rep's more valuable and the System more meaningful.

Here is my concern. If there is no limit on Rep (or an insignificant limit), then it gets handed out like cotton candy and generally increases everyones Rep score overall. If that happens, it dilutes the value of what it means to have "Rep" in the first place since so many people will have it. The less there is of something, the more valuable it is. By limiting it to 3 a day, it forces everyone to re-think what they give Rep for. Whereas before people might have offered Rep to anyone making a funny comment, now they might reserve it for people launching an outstanding .mobi site, for example. Do you see where I'm going with this?

At the rate we're going with Reps - being not even a year old - we'll have too many people on here with an incredibly high Rep score soon which will make the system virtually meaningless since it will be taken for granted. I want the Rep system to grow gradually so it becomes more meaningful.

There were also legitimate concerns about the Rep system in this thread (http://mobility.mobi/showthread.php?t=8259).

Also, keep in mind that other sites do this as well. For example, some dating sites give their members 2 "roses" a month that they can offer to anyone. Since they're so limited, it becomes something extra special when you receive a rose from someone knowing that they only have 2 a month to give out. Facebook does the same by limiting Gifts. Their limited supply is what makes them special and why people pay $1 to give them out. If they were free, they'd be meaningless.

I hope this makes sense. I'm more than happy to keep discussing this. Just remember, in a professional forum, Reputation is everything.

[GijsZePa]

Hi coast, thanks for your thoughts on this. No one has been abusing the Rep system and that's not the reason for the 3-a-day limit. The reason is simple laws of Supply and Demand. The less supply there is of something, the more valuable it becomes. And that's exactly what I'm going for, I want to make Rep's more valuable and the System more meaningful.

Here is my concern. If there is no limit on Rep (or an insignificant limit), then it gets handed out like cotton candy and generally increases everyones Rep score overall. If that happens, it dilutes the value of what it means to have "Rep" in the first place since so many people will have it. The less there is of something, the more valuable it is. By limiting it to 3 a day, it forces everyone to re-think what they give Rep for. Whereas before people might have offered Rep to anyone making a funny comment, now they might reserve it for people launching an outstanding .mobi site, for example. Do you see where I'm going with this?

At the rate we're going with Reps - being not even a year old - we'll have too many people on here with an incredibly high Rep score soon which will make the system virtually meaningless since it will be taken for granted. I want the Rep system to grow gradually so it becomes more meaningful.

There were also legitimate concerns about the Rep system in this thread (http://mobility.mobi/showthread.php?t=8259).

Also, keep in mind that other sites do this as well. For example, some dating sites give their members 2 "roses" a month that they can offer to anyone. Since they're so limited, it becomes something extra special when you receive a rose from someone knowing that they only have 2 a month to give out. Facebook does the same by limiting Gifts. Their limited supply is what makes them special and why people pay $1 to give them out. If they were free, they'd be meaningless.

I hope this makes sense. I'm more than happy to keep discussing this. Just remember, in a professional forum, Reputation is everything.

Well..you created one hell of a problem with this. People will never ever overtake Scandi, Gerry or Coast (and some other vague entities like Pred)...so they will stay the cream of the crop the next years if they quit now...and never come back again :)

It's like the 400 and 800 meters world record ladies. Everybody knows that Marita Koch and that Krachvalilova (or something like that0 used dope to accomplish this...and they are still the world record holders :)

Martin

[coast]

If the concern is rep for funny pictures or jokes, then perhaps we could have a guideline in place for what rep is and what is an appropriate criteria for issuing rep points. I don't think it is fair that I can't rep pchip for developing a site, or acc for helping me download a photoshop book just because three other people did things that in my opinion warranted recognition. I understand what you are saying about wanting to slow things down. Martin has a good point too about others catching up to the three of us who have written the most. Then again, we *have* written the most, so penalizing the three of us in some way would not be fair either.

I think the fairest way is what I just mentioned, have criteria and then expect people to honor it. If the mods spot check every so often but not so often as to be a burden we should be ok.

[Andres Kello]

Well..you created one hell of a problem with this. People will never ever overtake Scandi, Gerry or Coast (and some other vague entities like Pred)...so they will stay the cream of the crop the next years if they quit now...and never come back again :)

It's like the 400 and 800 meters world record ladies. Everybody knows that Marita Koch and that Krachvalilova (or something like that0 used dope to accomplish this...and they are still the world record holders :)

MartinWell, I think we can all agree that Scandi, Gerry, and Coast deserve to be on the top, so I'm not concerned with that. Also, keep in mind that Rep given by higher-repped members counts considerably more than Rep given by lower-repped members, so this should also help balance things out since the lower-repped members will benefit from more-valuable Rep given by higher-repped members. That sounds like a tongue-twister, but I hope it makes sense. :)

[GijsZePa]

Then again, we *have* written the most, so penalizing the three of us in some way would not be fair either.

True and deserved emeralds...but you understand my point :rolleyes2:

Martin

[Andres Kello]

I don't think it is fair that I can't rep pchip for developing a site, or acc for helping me download a photoshop book just because three other people did things that in my opinion warranted recognition.Keep in mind that there's nothing keeping you from Repping them tomorrow.

As for people Repping others for jokes and informal matters, that's not a problem at all if they want to do that - they're free to give Rep anyway they like, it's their Rep after all - but with limited Rep, everyone is going to have to choose wisely. I just don't think telling people how they should hand out their own Rep is a good idea.

[coast]

Yes, Martin, I completely understand your point. Andres just articulated what I am trying to accomplish:


keep in mind that Rep given by higher-repped members counts considerably more than Rep given by lower-repped members, so this should also help balance things out since the lower-repped members will benefit from more-valuable Rep given by higher-repped members. That sounds like a tongue-twister, but I hope it makes sense. :)

Exactly true. So, may I give out more rep please? :ridinghorse: How about we make it 5 a day instead of 3?

[Dave]

I'm with Andres on this one. 3 per day is plenty, really -- if you can't do one today, jot it down and give it out the next day you've got some free greens to spare.

I think one other possible alternative to this is the NP-type system, where it limits you to how much rep you can give to a particular member within a certain time period, rather than total reps per day. I'm not sure what it's set at over there, but it seems to be at least a week, if not more. Or maybe it's set to only allow another rep for someone after you've given out X reps to other members.

[Andres Kello]

I think one other possible alternative to this is the NP-type system, where it limits you to how much rep you can give to a particular member within a certain time period, rather than total reps per day. I'm not sure what it's set at over there, but it seems to be at least a week, if not more. Or maybe it's set to only allow another rep for someone after you've given out X reps to other members.It's the latter option which is built-in to vBulletin. The default was 10 if I remember correctly, and then our members asked us to remove the restriction a while back, so I reduced to 0. I increased it to 1 with the most recent change to the system so that people can't Rep the same person twice in a row. We probably don't need that particular restriction higher than that if we keep the Reps to 3 a day.

[Pred]

it's killed rep-whoring
which in my opinion kills a lot of ****s and giggles :biggrin:

just my opinion, as it's all just a bit of fun :coo2l:

[Dave]

it's killed rep-whoring
which in my opinion kills a lot of ****s and giggles :biggrin:

just my opinion, as it's all just a bit of fun :coo2l:
Oh, you can keep rep-whoring all you want...you just won't get as many "clients" as you might otherwise... :biggrin:

[domainitrix]

As for people Repping others for jokes and informal matters, that's not a problem at all if they want to do that - they're free to give Rep anyway they like, it's their Rep after all - but with limited Rep, everyone is going to have to choose wisely. I just don't think telling people how they should hand out their own Rep is a good idea.

I agree with above point raised by Andres. I don't believe in pointificating about how to rep or create what is Good vs. Bad, what is 'moral' or 'amoral' way to give reps. To be honest, I sometimes want to rep someone for posting retort in some blog of a nay sayer or in another forums outside & do. Also, funny and hilarious posts as well. It makes my visit to the forum fun! Stuff like this seems waste of rep some might say but IMO, it's the glue that holds the community together and oil that keeps the machine from squeaking. But, that is just me.

When there is a light , a shadow is created. And in social psychology perspective, too much emphasis on what is 'good' or 'correct' can create collective pressure. I've been doing my ledger system( making notes) for rep and it works well.

But, coast is an exception, as she is involved and knows what is going on with everyone. And I can see that she will comes a cross more rep worthy ( giving to others)instances than I do. :dontknow:

[Pred]

Oh, you can keep rep-whoring all you want...you just won't get as many "clients" as you might otherwise... :biggrin:

LOL :laugh:

[coast]

I agree with above point raised by Andres. I don't believe in pointificating about how to rep or create what is Good vs. Bad, what is 'moral' or 'amoral' way to give reps. To be honest, I sometimes want to rep someone for posting retort in some blog of a nay sayer or in another forums outside & do. Also, funny and hilarious posts as well. It makes my visit to the forum fun! Stuff like this seems waste of rep some might say but IMO, it's the glue that holds the community together and oil that keeps the machine from squeaking. But, that is just me.

I agree and I would rep you if I could for that.


But, coast is an exception, as she is involved and knows what is going on with everyone. And I can see that she will comes a cross more rep worthy ( giving to others)instances than I do. :dontknow:

I don't know that I am an exception, but I do want to encourage people who are helping the community, including the examples dtrix gave above. Sorry to those who I am not able to rep, it seems like I am in the minority opinion here. It seems like some days there are a lot of great things that happen and 3 isn't enough, then other days nothing. One more thing to keep track of, I guess.

[Pred]

It seems like some days there are a lot of great things that happen and 3 isn't enough, then other days nothing. One more thing to keep track of, I guess.

maybe we can be 'issued' 90 per month by the fuhrer lol and we can spread the love on special days :biggrin: when we need more

i can be a friday night ****** and tout for 10 reps then :biggrin:

[Scandiman]

I'm fine with that Andres.
Change of opinion on this, 3 is proving to be too little, too many repworthy posts are going unrewarded.

[jasdon]

How about doing away with the rep system altogether and just use cash? Cash works for me...:coo2l:

[capt. ahab]

How about doing away with those little green emeralds altogether and using little mobile phones with bars. More reps = more bars.
Why be like every other forum out there ( lil emeralds ). We are Mobility. We are Mobile. We are different. Would it be hard to do ?

Capt.

[Pred]

Change of opinion on this, 3 is proving to be too little, too many repworthy posts are going unrewarded.

agreed, think almost everyone thinks this.

10? :coo2l:

[Dave]

agreed, think almost everyone thinks this.

10? :coo2l:
I say let's try 5 and see how that feels for everyone. If we need to add another 1 or 2, we could.

[coast]

How about we split the difference and call it 7?

[Pred]

How about we split the difference and call it 7?

:sold:

[Dave]

7 - 1 = 6 :sold:

And that's my final offer... :laugh:

(of course, it's really up to Andres)

[Pred]

7 - 1 = 6 :sold:

And that's my final offer... :laugh:

(of course, it's really up to Andres)

:sold:

although i know if i had a whip round for some cookies we could bribe you.

'ME WANT COOKIE' LOL

[Andres Kello]

Folks, I just heard back from the Rep factory and they're all out of flubber. They won't be getting new supplies for at least a couple of weeks due to one of the pipelines in the Congo having been compromised by a local rebel group demanding royalties (read "bribes") because it cuts through their sacred land. To make matters worse, the Union of Rep Workers (URW) is on strike demanding more pay, but the recession is really taking its toll on Mobility's finances, so we're struggling to come to terms with them. As if that weren't enough, one of the factory managers was on vacation in Orlando this week (took his family to Disney World for the first time, big moment) and he happened to have attended yesterday's T.R.A.F.F.I.C. auction and had a heart attack, so we're needing to find a replacement for him too. And don't even get me started on the shoddy factory equipment from China, particularly the Coloring machine which makes the Rep in two different shades of green and which keeps breaking down, I knew we should've gone with the Danish company...

So please try and accommodate to this new rationing for the time being and we'll see how it goes after a few weeks when we get the pipe back up, the workers smiling, new equipment from Denmark, and a healthier new factory manager.

[Pred]

Folks, I just heard back from the Rep factory and they're all out of flubber. They won't be getting new supplies for at least a couple of weeks due to one of the pipelines in the Congo having been compromised by a local rebel group demanding royalties (read "bribes") because it cuts through their sacred land. To make matters worse, the Union of Rep Workers (URW) is on strike demanding more pay, but the recession is really taking its toll on Mobility's finances, so we're struggling to come to terms with them. As if that weren't enough, one of the factory managers was on vacation in Orlando this week (took his family to Disney World for the first time, big moment) and he happened to have attended yesterday's T.R.A.F.F.I.C. auction and had a heart attack, so we're needing to find a replacement for him too. And don't even get me started on the shoddy factory equipment from China, particularly the Coloring machine which makes the Rep in two different shades of green and which keeps breaking down, I knew we should've gone with the Danish company...

So please try and accommodate to this new rationing for the time being and we'll see how it goes after a few weeks when we get the pipe back up, the workers smiling, new equipment from Denmark, and a healthier new factory manager.

ROFLMAO :adore:

[coast]

Folks, I just heard back from the Rep factory and they're all out of flubber. They won't be getting new supplies for at least a couple of weeks due to one of the pipelines in the Congo having been compromised by a local rebel group demanding royalties (read "bribes") because it cuts through their sacred land. To make matters worse, the Union of Rep Workers (URW) is on strike demanding more pay, but the recession is really taking its toll on Mobility's finances, so we're struggling to come to terms with them. As if that weren't enough, one of the factory managers was on vacation in Orlando this week (took his family to Disney World for the first time, big moment) and he happened to have attended yesterday's T.R.A.F.F.I.C. auction and had a heart attack, so we're needing to find a replacement for him too. And don't even get me started on the shoddy factory equipment from China, particularly the Coloring machine which makes the Rep in two different shades of green and which keeps breaking down, I knew we should've gone with the Danish company...

So please try and accommodate to this new rationing for the time being and we'll see how it goes after a few weeks when we get the pipe back up, the workers smiling, new equipment from Denmark, and a healthier new factory manager.

Hilarious!!!! :adore:

[Scandiman]

So please try and accommodate to this new rationing for the time being....
Oh my, those customers are gonna get angry.....

http://sac.mobi/images/repstore.jpg

[Dave]

Oh my, those customers are gonna get angry.....

http://sac.mobi/images/repstore.jpg
:lol:

[domainitrix]

Folks, I just heard back from the Rep factory and they're all out of flubber. They won't be getting new supplies for at least a couple of weeks due to one of the pipelines in the Congo having been compromised by a local rebel group demanding royalties (read "bribes") because it cuts through their sacred land. To make matters worse, the Union of Rep Workers (URW) is on strike demanding more pay, but the recession is really taking its toll on Mobility's finances, so we're struggling to come to terms with them. As if that weren't enough, one of the factory managers was on vacation in Orlando this week (took his family to Disney World for the first time, big moment) and he happened to have attended yesterday's T.R.A.F.F.I.C. auction and had a heart attack, so we're needing to find a replacement for him too. And don't even get me started on the shoddy factory equipment from China, particularly the Coloring machine which makes the Rep in two different shades of green and which keeps breaking down, I knew we should've gone with the Danish company...

So please try and accommodate to this new rationing for the time being and we'll see how it goes after a few weeks when we get the pipe back up, the workers smiling, new equipment from Denmark, and a healthier new factory manager.

Oh my, :laugh::adore:
I knew it!, there is this sinister ( in a hilarious way) person brewing in Andres. Andres' Comedic 'Mr. Hyde ' side came out. We need to have the " COME OUT" party for him ya'll!!!

Rep !!!!

[Pred]

We need to have the " COME OUT" party for him !!!





:eek2::eek2::eek2: ................:biggrin:

[coast]

I believe Ms. Dtrix is referring to Andres as a debutante. Now Andres, don't forget your gloves....

http://greenberg-mcconville.com/debgallery/debgal3.jpg

[Pred]

they can do that too now :biggrin:

[rob]

I went to rep someone today and i was denied??? i havent repped anyone for over 2 weeks and today i was denied 1 rep. I give up and wont bother repping anyone ever again if this is the way it is setup. I hope everyone is happy with this setup because myself i think it is crap.

[coast]

I went to rep someone today and i was denied??? i havent repped anyone for over 2 weeks and today i was denied 1 rep. I give up and wont bother repping anyone ever again if this is the way it is setup. I hope everyone is happy with this setup because myself i think it is crap.

I agree - I couldn't rep namelot today either.

[Dave]

I went to rep someone today and i was denied??? i havent repped anyone for over 2 weeks and today i was denied 1 rep. I give up and wont bother repping anyone ever again if this is the way it is setup. I hope everyone is happy with this setup because myself i think it is crap.
As far as I know, we're still allowed 3 reps per day, regardless of who it is, so I don't know why you would have been denied...

Andres, any ideas?

[Andres Kello]

Andres, any ideas?The only thing I can think of is that you can't rep the same person twice in a row.

[rob]

Hi Andres,
That is the strangest part i cant figure out .. I havent repped anyone in over 2 weeks. Even though i cant see who repped any members in there profiles or i would recognise my comments im sure. But i dont think i repped Namelot before ever .. Like i said i dont rep very often .. maybe twice a month if that.

Cheers
Rob

[Andres Kello]

But i dont think i repped Namelot before everActually, I just checked, and namelot is the last person you Repped and that was on May 16, so that's why the system is not allowing you to Rep him twice in a row. You have to spread the love.

[GijsZePa]

Actually, I just checked, and namelot is the last person you Repped and that was on May 16, so that's why the system is not allowing you to Rep him twice in a row. You have to spread the love.

PI Andres ! :coo2l:

Martin

[rob]

Actually, I just checked, and namelot is the last person you Repped and that was on May 16, so that's why the system is not allowing you to Rep him twice in a row. You have to spread the love.


Hi Andres,
That explains that .. I think it is a good idea none the less. im sorry for the trouble mate :)

Cheers
Rob

[Pred]

As far as I know, we're still allowed 3 rims per day, regardless of who it is, so I don't know why you would have been denied...

Andres, any ideas?


:eek2:...............................:biggrin:

[Dave]

:eek2:...............................:biggrin:
Hmmm...I don't seem to recall saying it quite like that... :hmmmm2: :laugh:

[Tim]

How about having positive trader ratings add to rep. I always liked that idea. It's like a group hug...

[Dave]

How about having positive trader ratings add to rep. I always liked that idea. It's like a group hug...

I like the concept -- I'd vote for it if it were possible. Is it, Andres?

[Andres Kello]

I like the concept -- I'd vote for it if it were possible. Is it, Andres?Not without hacking a hack and going deep into the vBulletin PHP code to connect it with the Rep System.

What people can do as a simpler alternative is Rep each other after successfully completing a transaction.

[coast]

Not without hacking a hack and going deep into the vBulletin PHP code to connect it with the Rep System.

What people can do as a simpler alternative is Rep each other after successfully completing a transaction.

Well I would but.... I need more reps to give away to do that. :biggrin:

[Andres Kello]

Well I would but.... I need more reps to give away to do that. :biggrin:OK, I'm prepared to compromise...

:creep:

[tophatter]

I don't Rep much at all, just another thing to do & I will make a written statement on the thread if I have something to say, hey! that's just me.
I tried repping Pred before & was told I had to spread the reps around first before I can rep him again.AGAIN ??

[coast]

OK, I'm prepared to compromise...

:creep:

Wonderful! What are your terms? :biggrin:

[Gerry]

I vote no rep. I win.

[Tim]

^^the haves preaching to the have nots :thumbsup:

Look at all dem gemstones, man...

[Gerry]

Look at all dem gemstones, man...da family jewels :top:

[Pred]

OK, I'm prepared to compromise...

:creep:

LOL @ smiley :biggrin: & text :adore:

[capt. ahab]

My .02 cents.......I don't have a problem with giving someone a rep if their post is desrving of one. I do have a problem with someone posting something and then asking / begging for a rep. I've seen this way too much. Just post and let the member's decide if it's rep worthy.
Personally I think the only reps that are important are the buyer / seller ( marketplace rating ) and the developer reps.

Carry on.............Capt.

[Andres Kello]

Wonderful! What are your terms? :biggrin:I am generously willing to increase the Daily Reps to a whopping 15 a day so you guys can Rep anything you find rep-worthy for whatever reason.

In exchange, I would level the playing field and lower everyone's Rep Altering powers to 1.

Reason: Several members' Rep Altering power (the Rep points they give with each "rep+") is fast approaching 20, so if I do not alter it and allowed people to Rep 15 times a day, those members would be able to hand out the equivalent of 20 x 15 = 300 Rep points a day which is equivalent to 3 full green Gems a day, which would quickly dilute the significance of Rep.

[Scandiman]

I am generously willing to increase the Daily Reps to a whopping 15 a day so you guys can Rep anything you find rep-worthy for whatever reason.

In exchange, I would level the playing field and lower everyone's Rep Altering powers to 1.

Reason: Several members' Rep Altering power (the Rep points they give with each "rep+") is fast approaching 20, so if I do not alter it and allowed people to Rep 15 times a day, those members would be able to hand out the equivalent of 20 x 15 = 300 Rep points a day which is equivalent to 3 full green Gems a day, which would quickly dilute the significance of Rep.
Can it be cut in 1/2 instead? Not sure what controls there are for you to mess with, how does it work?

[vikrantjain22]

Can it be cut in 1/2 instead? Not sure what controls there are for you to mess with, how does it work?

Its part of the MATRIX, let agent Smith do the dirty work, Neo is desperate for some Rep fast and the Oracle is also on the Negotiating table :)

[Andres Kello]

Can it be cut in 1/2 instead? Not sure what controls there are for you to mess with, how does it work?Cutting the Rep Altering power in half and then multiplying the Daily Reps by 5 hardly seems like a fair deal. :)

To be honest, I don't know why the Rep system gradually increases people's Rep by default based on their Rep, Post Count, and Time since joining. This should be a Democracy and everyone should have the same Rep Altering vote. In other words, no Super Delegates here. ;)

I doubt the current default system is employed at NamePros otherwise members like Jeff would be able to give or take about a full Gem with a single click considering his Rep, Time since joining, and massive post count.

My very reasonable offer will remain on the table for 24 hours. :flute: :lollypop:

[Scandiman]

Cutting the Rep Altering power in half and then multiplying the Daily Reps by 5 hardly seems like a fair deal. :)

To be honest, I don't know why the Rep system gradually increases people's Rep by default based on their Rep, Post Count, Time since joining, etc. This should be a Democracy and everyone should have the same Rep Altering vote. In other words, no Super Delegates here. ;)

I doubt the current default system is employed at NamePros otherwise members like Jeff would be able to give or take about a full Gem with a single click considering his Rep, Time since joining, and massive post count.

My very reasonable offer will remain on the table for 24 hours. :flute: :lollypop:Actually I wasn't making any specific counter offer, just wondering how it all worked.

[Andres Kello]

Actually I wasn't making any specific counter offer, just wondering how it all worked.There are 3 factors that control a users Rep Altering power: Total Rep, Post Count, and Time since Joining.

I can change the X factor of each one that causes a users Rep Altering power to increase by 1.

The current default ones are:

Reputation Point Factor: 100
Post Count Factor: 1000
Registration Date Factor: 365 (days)

In other words, for every 100 Rep points a user has, they have 1 extra Rep Altering point. For every 1000 posts, they have yet another Rep Altering point. And for every year they are a member, they have another Rep Altering point.

This is why several users are fast approaching 20 Rep Altering points, which means that with 5 simple clicks they would be able to give or take the equivalent of a full Gem (which is 100 Rep points at the lower levels).

It's obvious that the default system wants to give more power to the more veteran members, but I think this should work like a Democracy with 1 Person, 1 Vote.

[coast]

The Representative from San Diego votes "yes," even though that would remove her superdelegate status. Let mobility remain one true voice of the people, by the people and for the people.

:sold:

[Scandiman]

There are 3 factors that control a users Rep Altering power: Total Rep, Post Count, and Time since Joining.

I can change the X factor of each one that causes a users Rep Altering power to increase by 1.

The current default ones are:

Reputation Point Factor: 100
Post Count Factor: 1000
Registration Date Factor: 365 (days)

In other words, for every 100 Rep points a user has, they have 1 extra Rep Altering point. For every 1000 posts, they have yet another Rep Altering point. And for every year they are a member, they have another Rep Altering point.

This is why several users are fast approaching 20 Rep Altering points, which means that with 5 simple clicks they would be able to give or take the equivalent of a full Gem (which is 100 Rep points at the lower levels).

It's obvious that the default system wants to give more power to the more veteran members, but I think this should work like a Democracy with 1 Person, 1 Vote.Cool, never knew how it worked. Now to think on the proposal....

[Pred]

Guess that makes me a super delegate :coo2l: rofl
pm me if you want rep, i'm easily bribed :biggrin:

[Scandiman]

I am generously willing to increase the Daily Reps to a whopping 15 a day so you guys can Rep anything you find rep-worthy for whatever reason.

In exchange, I would level the playing field and lower everyone's Rep Altering powers to 1.

Reason: Several members' Rep Altering power (the Rep points they give with each "rep+") is fast approaching 20, so if I do not alter it and allowed people to Rep 15 times a day, those members would be able to hand out the equivalent of 20 x 15 = 300 Rep points a day which is equivalent to 3 full green Gems a day, which would quickly dilute the significance of Rep.
This all sounds reasonable to me Andres, and if there is an adjustment possible on reping the same member twice in a row I would suggest that is removed as well or move to a higher number like 3 in a row. But reping the same post multiple times should still be off limits.

[Pred]

This all sounds reasonable to me Andres, and if there is an adjustment possible on reping the same member twice in a row I would suggest that is removed as well or move to a higher number like 3 in a row. But reping the same post multiple times should still be off limits.

agreed

[rob]

My .02 cents.......I don't have a problem with giving someone a rep if their post is desrving of one. I do have a problem with someone posting something and then asking / begging for a rep. I've seen this way too much. Just post and let the member's decide if it's rep worthy.
Personally I think the only reps that are important are the buyer / seller ( marketplace rating ) and the developer reps.

Carry on.............Capt.
I agree with you Capt. i dont have all day to search thru the net for a post so i deserve a rep. Take a look at my rep points and look at all the members that do not know a thing about developing a mobi site. In other words i dont hunt for news .. i make news. It is obvious the rep system here is way outta wack. So outta wack that if there was a way to remove my emeralds i would rather have 0.

[Pred]

I agree with you Capt. i dont have all day to search thru the net for a post so i deserve a rep. Take a look at my rep points and look at all the members that do not know a thing about developing a mobi site. In other words i dont hunt for news .. i make news. It is obvious the rep system here is way outta wack. So outta wack that if there was a way to remove my emeralds i would rather have 0.

Psst: It's a bit of fun Rob :biggrin:
They can't be cashed in . Although i'd be happy to graft yours onto mine if you're donating? :biggrin:

[coast]

I agree with you Capt. i dont have all day to search thru the net for a post so i deserve a rep. Take a look at my rep points and look at all the members that do not know a thing about developing a mobi site. In other words i dont hunt for news .. i make news. It is obvious the rep system here is way outta wack. So outta wack that if there was a way to remove my emeralds i would rather have 0.

I agree to an extent. Developer skills, trader rating and completed sites are some of our main goals at mobility and they should be rewarded in a noticeable way. Maybe there is a way to add something to show number of sites completed and if you are a developer or paid someone to develop? For example, Mirimadeline rarely posts at all, yet if you ask her how many sites she's hired Egnited to make for her it would make you fall off your chair. There should be recognition for that.

Capt. and Rob, I believe that more goes into a community than just how many transactions someone has or how well they do their job. While there is no possible way that I have your skills, Rob, I mean this with all due respect as you know how I feel about your developer abilities and where in the stratosphere they reside. But it is true, Rob should have 20 emeralds by now for the way he is practically single-handedly developing premium names for members on this forum.

On the other hand, if there was nothing good to read here, a lot of people wouldn't show up every day. There needs to be a balance.

[rob]

My point exactly Holly ... another example is Mobi of the Month .. my client paid for a site to be developed .. I made this happen my client paid money thats it .. what do i get >>> ZIPPO NADA no MOtM badge. The client is grateful for the work ive done and has shown it and told me many times over what a great job i did. I know you deserve your MOtM badge Holly because you actually developed your site yourself. Im telling you there is something wrong with this system to !! I think I deserve a badge has well has the client!
I am never entering another mobi site in MOtM for this duuuuuhhh reason.

[coast]

Andres, is there any reason why developers of MOtM sites can't have MOtM badges? I think they definitely deserve them, and I would even go as far as to say they should get more of them for every MOtM site they develop.

[Pred]

Andres, is there any reason why developers of MOtM sites can't have MOtM badges? I think they definitely deserve them, and I would even go as far as to say they should get more of them for every MOtM site they develop.

i agree. if the developer is inhouse and a member of mobility, i would say the developer deserves the credit the most.
normally the owner of a site will have at least as much input as the developer and should come up with most of ideas but developers have the ideas too AND coding AND compliance to do, so yes, they def. should get some badges. I think people should get to keep the little badge too, with the month and year on like medals :biggrin:

ironically can't rep either of you as out already. this is the point i think, bear in mind we're all in different time zones, so we've been up hours and expended our reps while you guys are still catching zeds.
come our nightime, you're knocking out something repworthy & no love can be shared, at least from us Brits.
nothing new there then :biggrin:

[Tim]

I think getting paid is plenty of reward. MOTM is about the owner of the site, period. Maybe a developer of the month then.

This is an information forum. Rep is for providing information. It can be for other things too, but first and foremost it's for providing information.

A great way to acknowledge developments and other "tangible" services is to oblige my suggestion of Rep being coupled together with positive trader ratings. Maybe they could be scheduled depending on the type of feedback, sale, buyer, development client.

Anyway, I think the main crux of revamping the rep system is to minimize the number of reps that can be given at once, not redefine what rep represents...

Just turn the ticks to one across the board and be done with it.


My point exactly Holly ... another example is Mobi of the Month .. my client paid for a site to be developed .. I made this happen my client paid money thats it .. what do i get >>> ZIPPO NADA no MOtM badge. The client is grateful for the work ive done and has shown it and told me many times over what a great job i did. I know you deserve your MOtM badge Holly because you actually developed your site yourself. Im telling you there is something wrong with this system to !! I think I deserve a badge has well has the client!
I am never entering another mobi site in MOtM for this duuuuuhhh reason.

[Tom]

The entire rep system is flawed, dumb, and utterly pointless. Pointless.

Mobility would be a better place without it, period. It doesn't do a bit of good for the community, it's only a way to make those who "have" feel good, and those who "have not" feel discouraged, as if they are of lesser value to the community. The rep system simply doesn't work with a forum like this... on a forum that is done for enjoyment, the rep system is fine... it's kinda like a game, so to speak. BUT, my friends, this is a business forum, and the rep system is completely unprofessional. Everyone here does their own kind of business, and contributes to Mobility in their own way, and as a result, some are "rewarded" with a nice fat line of rep blocks, while others, who may have an equally or even more important role in ".mobi" as a whole, have nothing to visibly show for it.

I think the rep system does a dishonor to our community by undermining many of our valuable members.... and adjusting the point values, etc, at this point, doesn't solve anything.

A business forum should not be (even inadvertently) running a popularity contest....





Phew.

:D

[newdomainer]

I've been a member for a while now & I have to say that Tom has a point.. I do rep every now & then & I'm aware that I get the odd rep too but I don't even know how you'd go about checking what rep you've received or what has been said... so I guess it doesn't figure too highly in the top ten reasons that mobility is the top forum for Mobi... Errm... will someone rep Andres for that? ;-)

Gary

[coast]

The entire rep system is flawed, dumb, and utterly pointless. Pointless.

Mobility would be a better place without it, period.

:D

Put it up for a vote. You want it gone I'm fine with that, just speaking with my personal opinion as someone with lots of green blocks.

[Tom]

I would like to hear some more opinions, especially from the staff, on the subject.... democracy isn't always the only solution. The staff has the greater and final say, especially since they know more about the problem, and possibly the best solutions, that most of us "regulars" do.

Andres, do you know if removing the rep system is even an option? And what are your thoughts on this?

I just don't like how problematic the system is, considering that it serves (I think) no good purpose.


Put it up for a vote. You want it gone I'm fine with that, just speaking with my personal opinion as someone with lots of green blocks.

[Tim]

I think it does serve a purpose for those who feed the forum with useful information. If someone is simply interested in feeding and talking mobile web stuff, then rep is a little ego stroke and reward. There is nothing wrong with that.

Trader ratings serve as a reward system for those who trade in economy.

It's the allocation process that needs attention. We don't need to abandon the rep system altogether. I think we can handle this ;)

[coast]

I would like to see discussion on this too. Here are some comparables:

Forums with Rep
NP
Mobility

Forums without Rep
DNF
DP
SitePoint
Afternic

[Tom]

I would like to see discussion on this too. Here are some comparables:

Forums with Rep
NP
Mobility

Forums without Rep
DNF
DP
SitePoint
Afternic
DP has rep.

I like how DNF is... no rep, as it is more of a 'business' forum.

Granted, Mobility is more than a business forum (so is DNF), but to be honest (although a bit cheesy), I view it as more of a family....we all help each other out, in our own way. I think most of us could go on and on about how awesome Mobility is as a whole, and spend hours talking about how certain members have been such an absolute blessing in various ways. I've met people here who are among the nicest people I have ever met in my life, and who I would gladly consider family....yet they have little or no rep to show for that. Would anyone here care to "rate" the usefulness of their brothers and sisters? :rolleyes2:

There are so many methods of contribution here, and I don't think that a rep system sends a good message (that being that certain contributions are of greater importance than others). Mobility is different than any other forum I've ever been a part of... and I don't think we should be scared to show our uniqueness by removing the rep system.

>>>>

Also I might add that rep whoring (yes, it's quite evident here) comes off as very unprofessional in my mind... which we should stay away from, especially considering that we have representatives from professional companies amongst us.

Remember, we are a huge voice for .mobi.... and our voice loses some of its effect if we cannot prove ourselves to be professional.

[coast]

DP has rep.

I like how DNF is... no rep, as it is more of a 'business' forum.

Granted, Mobility is more than a business forum (so is DNF), but to be honest (although a bit cheesy), I view it as more of a family....we all help each other out, in our own way. I think most of us could go on and on about how awesome Mobility is as a whole, and spend hours talking about how certain members have been such an absolute blessing. Would anyone here care to "rate" the usefulness of their brothers and sisters? :rolleyes2:

I rate Brother Egnited as "very helpful." Oops, I can't because I AM OUT OF REP! Hey, isn't this how this all started? :laugh:

[Scandiman]

It seems ironic (or appropriate) that I've drained my rep gun for the day in this thread. Many heart felt comments here that I personally appreciate.

For the record, the mods had previously discussed whether or not to also add the MotM badge to the acknowledged developer. I'm on the fence on this issue, on one hand I want to recognize the efforts of a developer involved in the project while on the other hand I don't want to see the honor to be diluted, there could be several people involved in a project and how to decide who should or should not get the badge could easily get messy. Should the logo designer get a badge? How about the people who provided feedback in the initial stages or beta tested? Is not their input valuable? But it seems inappropriate (at least to me) to issue a badge to the site owner, the main developer, the logo designer and all the other people who may have assisted along the way. I personally have provided A LOT of input and feedback in a lot of other peoples projects here at mobility for no fee, some of them have won the MotM but I don't think I deserve a badge. Yes I provided a lot of input but ultimately it's not my project.

I think of an Oscar, it goes to one person but it is understood that person has had help along the way. Hopefully that person chooses to recognize all those who have made things possible, as tophatter has done by publicly recognizing Rob's talent in making iLyrics.mobi a reality.

No system is perfect but I would prefer to err on the side of not diluting the honor. Just my .02.

[Andres Kello]

Great discussion, folks.

With regards to the MotM badge, as Scandi stated, we've discussed it and I don't want to dilute the significance of the badge. I want it to be a Top honor in this industry and therefore want to motivate people to work hard for it. As such, I believe it should go to the "Producer", the one who had the domain, the idea, and the financing to make turn a vision into reality, because without them the site would never have been built in the first place. Of course, Developers can have their sites nominated for MotM as well, but an even bigger reward than that is being able to tell their clients that they've developed a Mobility .mobi of the Month sites for other clients, which is an honor in and of itself that could easily translate itself into more business.

As for the Rep, I don't think it discourages too many people and I definitely know it motivates several members to find, post, and share interesting information, so for that reason alone I would prefer to leave it even thought it can be easily turned off.

As for the Trader Ratings, they appear in every post and in the memberlist just like the Rep, so it's a Rep system in its own right.

What we have yet to determine is the best way to run the Rep system, so how do you guys feel about my earlier compromise?

[capt. ahab]

Hallelujah....... now if only you could replace those lil green emeralds with lil mobile phones. More bars = more reps. Just a thought.

[Andres Kello]

Hallelujah....... now if only you could replace those lil green emeralds with lil mobile phones. More bars = more reps. Just a thought.If someone wants to make 2 cool 8 x 10 mobile phone icons (one to replace the dark green bar and the other one to replace the light green bar), then I'm up for replacing the gems with small mobile phones.

[Tim]

Voted: Yes


I am generously willing to increase the Daily Reps to a whopping 15 a day so you guys can Rep anything you find rep-worthy for whatever reason.

In exchange, I would level the playing field and lower everyone's Rep Altering powers to 1.

Reason: Several members' Rep Altering power (the Rep points they give with each "rep+") is fast approaching 20, so if I do not alter it and allowed people to Rep 15 times a day, those members would be able to hand out the equivalent of 20 x 15 = 300 Rep points a day which is equivalent to 3 full green Gems a day, which would quickly dilute the significance of Rep.

[Tim]

"cool 8 (px) x 10 (px) mobile phone icons"

After playing around with this for a few minutes I think the "cool" should be changed to discernible...

[Pred]

I've drained my rep gun for the day

too much info :embarassed:................:biggrin:

[Andres Kello]

OK, refresh your browsers and tell me what you think of the new Rep icons I just created. There's not much room for creativity on an 80 pixel canvas! :)

If you guys don't like it, we'll change back or try something else. They're definitely not as bright or flashy with the black as the originals but I did use the same shade of green as the originals.

These are the 2 Rep icons I created:

http://mobility.mobi/images/reputation/reputation_pos.gif

http://mobility.mobi/images/reputation/reputation_highpos.gif

[Tim]

I like them just fine. Nice job, Andres!

[Scandiman]

OK, refresh your browsers and tell me what you think of the new Rep icons I just created. There's not much room for creativity on an 80 pixel canvas! :)

If you guys don't like it, we'll change back or try something else. They're definitely not as bright or flashy with the black as the originals but I did use the same shade of green as the originals.

These are the 2 Rep icons I created:

http://mobility.mobi/images/reputation/reputation_pos.gif

http://mobility.mobi/images/reputation/reputation_highpos.gifWell done Andres, but I can't read the numbers:dontknow: :laugh:

[Andres Kello]

Well done Andres, but I can't read the numbers:dontknow: :laugh:That's because each of the buttons is only 1 pixel in size. I'll see if I can etch the numbers on them using quantum pixels. :biggrin:

[coast]

Those phones are cute.

[whomp]

I like the new phones :) They look cool
although I only have one lmao

[tophatter]

Hallelujah....... now if only you could replace those lil green emeralds with lil mobile phones. More bars = more reps. Just a thought.


Capt. AHAB. Yes Yes Yes. I like the mobile phone idea. I do not like the twirlling stars & generic crap like that but that's my honest opinion.
I do not beg for reps & think support for others on this forum is more important .
We are not here for prizes, Can I cash in my reps for a small prize like I did when I was a child, NO.
We are mainly all here for one reason , to discuss , exchange ,complement , give constructive positive direction & be a team. The team that we all signed up for which is making the mobi extension an extension that we can say we are part of.
Many members already attended the Mobi happening & I will also next week.I do this to be more involved with the Mobi extension & doing my part to get the word out. (Scandi, still haven't gotten the Mobi plates yet)
Most of my friends , family members etc never heard of .mobi but they know now & more will know this weekend when I attend an art fair & speak with each artist and let them know that there is another place they can show their artwork for free & it's on a mobile site , most will not know about mobile sites but they will after I visit their Booth.

All right I'll shut up now but a true support system is very important ,I think the Mobility site is very Viral & amVery Happy I found it.

[capt. ahab]

Hey Andres, you work fast. The phones look cool and coincides with the Mobility of it all. I now feel like I actually contributed something to this wonderful forum even if it was only a suggestion / idea. Have a wonderful week-end everyone.

Capt.

[Andres Kello]

Hey Andres, you work fast. The phones look cool and coincides with the Mobility of it all. I now feel like I actually contributed something to this wonderful forum even if it was only a suggestion / idea. Have a wonderful week-end everyone.

Capt.This forum is your forum, everyone's forum, and I love the fact that members get to give their touch to it all as it only enhances the whole grassroots feel to Mobility. Thanks for your great suggestions capt. ahab and hopefully we'll get more suggestions from you and other members to keep making this the mobile web forum of the people! :)


With regards to the Rep rules, a couple of you accepted my compromise solution and no one seemed to be against it so I'm going to go ahead and implement the 15 Reps a Day and lower everyone's Rep Altering Power to 1.

[Andres Kello]

OK, it's done, REP AWAY! :joyman:

[Pred]

OK, it's done, REP AWAY! :joyman:

****** :biggrin:

Thanks for sorting everything.

[coast]

Thank you Andres! Personally I like being able to rep people as a way of saying thank you, and I'd rather thank 15 people with 1 point than 3 people with 9 or however was before you changed it. I think I'll start with repping you!

[capt. ahab]

Thanks for your great suggestions capt. ahab and hopefully we'll get more suggestions from you and other members to keep making this the mobile web forum of the people! :)

and a big thank you to you too....... now.....can you make them ring when someone is repped.:laugh:

[Gerry]

I want pretty little pretties for me to wear and adorn my hair.

[Pred]

the new favicon hasn't bypassed Pred's attention :biggrin:
nice :coo2l:

[Andres Kello]

the new favicon hasn't bypassed Pred's attention :biggrin:
nice :coo2l:It was inspired by the new Rep icons. ;)

(For those of you who still haven't seen it, click here (http://mobility.mobi/favicon.ico) and then refresh your browser.)

[tophatter]

I think getting paid is plenty of reward. MOTM is about the owner of the site, period. Maybe a developer of the month then.


I have to say one thing regarding development of Mobis.

There is first the name . then the idea & last the developer of the site.
Some folks are lucky enough to have all three of them together but for myself I am not a developer however I do have several domain names & I am very creative with ideas, I wish I had the third which is the development end.

I do think that the developer deserves due acknowledgement as without the development end there is no full circle.
I have used several developers so far for my projects & they all have a unique style about them. Some projects are better for some & not for others but I do think that the developers (members of this forum)need to
be given the deserved props for their work.

In a movie , TV , Play , band album the artist is forseen first however the songwriters , screenwriter , producer, director etc etc always gets mentioned for the fine work they did.

I did & always will give props to the developer of any of my sites even though they get paid & rightfully so because that my friends is Full Circle

Regards